Captain Obvious wrote:
jamcutpost wrote:In CAR it was a relatively well-definied split... In NO its always going to be a "hot-hand"/Matchup/ Whatever RB fits best situation imho.
Well, I don't see the NO RB situation playing out that way. Given how Payton has soured on Thomas over the years and both Ivory's and Thomas's injury history, I see Ingram getting a significant majority of the carries in a strong offense that decidedly more balanced
and will easily be in the top-half of the league in terms of y/g. Thomas was resigned for a "backup's deal", often taken as a sign of what the coaching staff thinks of him. Ivory is struggling back from a Lisfranc injury 6 months after surgery and won't be able to practice for at least a few more weeks. The possible competition is limited by injury and/or lacks the coach's confidence. Not only is the situation primo, but Ingram himself is a very talented back who provides what NO needs.NO seems it will balance it's offense
- "the Saints appear set on getting back to a more conventional running game that was part of their run to a Super Bowl title in 2009. The team selected running back Mark Ingram in the first round of this year’s draft. Ingram is a more prototypical, bell-cow running back."
jamcutpost wrote:I agree with you that its always possible that NO rushing attempts may go up, but as PW mentioned the same could also be posited for CAR given their circumstances couldnt it?
For the reasons PW gave, I can see why CAR would want to increase their rushing attempts, but given the countervailing issues I listed, I'm far from confident they'll be able to follow up on that desire. NO's offense, defense and coaching staff is better positioned to increase rush attempts then Carolina.
I agree with what your saying but i think youre missing the crux of what im getting at which is that NO will not run more than CAR and that CAR have more proven history with how they use their backs vs NOS.
Firstly the URL link is predominatly a link about "Bush being allowed to talk to other teams"
... I had to really look to find anything regarding what you were saying. Its the 8th para of 9 and was almost a throwaway comment with no reference or source given:
Jason Cole wrote:However, the Saints appear set on getting back to a more conventional running game that was part of their run to a Super Bowl title in 2009. The team selected running back Mark Ingram(notes) in the first round of this year’s draft. Ingram is a more prototypical, bell-cow running back.
So few questions wasnt sure youd considered or not:
1) When did they make the conscious decision to move AWAY from the 2009 model? I was udner the impression the backs just got injured so they were forced to throw more? Was that not the case then?
2) They had a multi-headed RBBC in 2009 whichever way you look at it (Bell, Thomas, Bush), so if they are going back to the 2009 model is that what we'll be seeing?
3) I agree about Ivory - he is a couple fo weeks away from playing, but when exactly does the season start and when exactly has Peyton "lost confidence" in him? I havent read that. If you mean Peyton grabbed a good player when he fell to him, then does that mean GB have lost faith with Starks too as McCarthy took Green?
4) Im assuming you looked at the rushing atts vs the personnel & circumstances in 2009 & 2010 w/players over 35 carries?
392 rushing atts in 2007 for NO (Brees), (Bush, Stecker, PT)
398 rushing atts in 2008 for NO (Brees), (Deuce, PT, Bush)
468 rushing atts in 2009 for NO (Brees), (Bell, PT, Bush, Hamilton)
380 rushing atts in 2010 for NO (Brees), (PT, Ivory, Bush, Julia, Betts)
451 rushing atts in 2008 for CAR (Testaverde, Carr, Moore), (Foster, Jstew)
504 rushing atts in 2008 for CAR (Delhomme), (Dwill, Jstew)
525 rushing atts in 2009 for CAR (Delhomme), (Dwill, Jstew)
428 rushing atts in 2010 for CAR (Clausen), (DWill, Jstew)
One has a franchise legend at the helm w/proven receiving talent, the other has had 2 QBs of tremendously bad ability - and now a QB that is an athletic dual threat QB - as well as a lack of receiving options. I wont derail the thread into which team will run more, but i cannot see anyway that NO will beat CAR in that category. perhaps others, but not that.
I also see Sproles as every bit a drain on Ingram's value as Bush was for PT, Deuce & Bell. Reggie Bush might be an FF divisive factor but the guy poached plenty of recs and TDs. Sproles can be more effective.
Is it possible youre undervaluing how Peyton has always treated his RBs and how intrinsic and integral the rungame is to CAR this year more than any other (and its been pretty important then, too!)? Just a thought though and good to hear a different opinon