pwbowen wrote: birddog wrote:For the record I'd take Smitty, Olsen, Shockey, Williams, Stewart over the entire Cinci supporting cast
Dalton's top reciever... a rookie
and their entire RB depth chart = hill of beans in comparison to the Cats... O-lines?.... umm..
I don't necessarily like either but I respect what each kid did.
Then you have Ponder who was #1 in the league in red-zone efficiency
I'd have to consider that trade. Greisham is as good as Olsen/Shockey. Smitty only has a handful of years left so I'd take AJ Green straight up for him and Simpson>Lafell unless he goes to jail.
RBs though, Carolina>>>Cincy.
But you can't simply trade offense, let's not forget Special Teams and Defense help take more pressure off Dalton than what Newton gets.
Oh, and a much softer schedule for Cincy even with 2xBaltimore and 2xPittsburgh.
Dalton's good and I like him but he's not on the same level as Newton, no matter how many times Bradshaw wants to whine about it.
I think its more than fair to say Cam's supporting cast was 2x's better than Dalton's.. and about 4x's better than Ponder's.. easy. Consider a trade?.. this is about 2011. Vets for unproven rookies and a guy thats known for 1 play the entire year?.. a flip after the catch? then Gresham = Olsen/Sholckey?..which one?.. because its certainly not both.
you mention defense so lets take a look....
add Newton's home game fluff pass D's vs Green Bay and Minnesota then the creature comforts of 6 Dome games compared to Dalton's mighty 1 dome game vs. Indy.. I believe the reality of schedule shows its face quite clearly. You can't design an easier schedule to pass against than what Newton got this season.. and his front office brought in 2 veteran pass catching TEs.. even traded for 1 in Olsen.. kind of a luxury having a 2x All Pro WR and 1x All Pro TE... especially with that soft schedule.
What did Cinci do for Dalton?... drafted a rookie WR and didn't re sign their former #1 2x All Pro WR..
Marvin Lewis: "Hey Red we've got a helluva schedule compared to that Newton kid so heres Cedric Benson, a rookie WR and a 2nd yr TE along with a patch-work O-line.. I expect success!"
Fluff TD's? I didn't realize that we should devalue TDs thrown in competitive games since the Green Bay and Minny D's don't meet your standards. Or are you just assuming they were garbage TD's, which they weren't?
Soft schedule? Yeah, 7 games against playoff teams (for both), that's really soft.
I'd trade the Panthers WR/TE corp for the Bengals, say what you want. Shockey's not even under contract and Smith is almost done. I think any GM in the league would take Green over Smith if they are building a team based on skill and potential and $$$ cost.
If you seriously think Dalton's as good as Newton and swapping them wouldn't have a measureable difference on their team's records then this conversation's pretty pointless.
Just curious, how many games did Dalton take his team to a lead into the 2nd half only to watch the D/special teams blow? I can tell you the number here in Carolina was 8 of the 10 losses.