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Who Wins?
Poll ended at Sat 02.04.2012, 22:42
Giants 47%  47%  [ 38 ]
Patriots 53%  53%  [ 43 ]
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4.24Johnson wrote:
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I just think Brady played better than Manning. .


Stats say otherwise.

QB Rating:

Eli Manning: 103.8
Tom Brady: 91.1

Also, Brady played like Dog Doo* in the 2nd half tonight.

*(UnBrady-like)


Skip Bayless:
Tom Brady's legacy takes another hit - but this time a small one. He was in position to win MVP until missed couple late throws, got Eli-ed.

The thing I take is the dude always says Eli out Brady-ed Brady. First time he's really given Eli credit for being clutch.

Brady was phenomenal tonight. About as well as you can play. I though a couple throws were a little off in 2nd half though. Welker's comes to mind. Branch's was to Kenny Phillips and tipped because of that. I have mad respect for Pats+Brady+Belichek. The fact that we've had to beat you to win these 2 Super Bowls makes them all the sweeter an more deserving.


Also, screw Skip. All the guy does is says silly things to get a rise out of people. Brady will get killed by plenty of legit sportspeople in and out of New England. Skip is just a joke.

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Bunker wrote:
4.24Johnson wrote:
LVSharks wrote:
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I just think Brady played better than Manning. .


Stats say otherwise.

QB Rating:

Eli Manning: 103.8
Tom Brady: 91.1

Also, Brady played like Dog Doo* in the 2nd half tonight.

*(UnBrady-like)


Skip Bayless:
Tom Brady's legacy takes another hit - but this time a small one. He was in position to win MVP until missed couple late throws, got Eli-ed.

The thing I take is the dude always says Eli out Brady-ed Brady. First time he's really given Eli credit for being clutch.

Brady was phenomenal tonight. About as well as you can play. I though a couple throws were a little off in 2nd half though. Welker's comes to mind. Branch's was to Kenny Phillips and tipped because of that. I have mad respect for Pats+Brady+Belichek. The fact that we've had to beat you to win these 2 Super Bowls makes them all the sweeter an more deserving.


Yah, Branch's ball was deflected- although he did miss a pass earlier.


Yeah your the WRs TEs did let Brady down a little. I think his intensity might play into that sometime. Must be easier to play with Eli who says we gonna get em cause you and me are gonna get it done in the end. As opposed to Brady who demands the best from himself and everyone all the time and will get angry at the smallest mistake his or others. But Brady is and was amazing.
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LVSharks wrote:
Bunker wrote:
I just think Brady played better than Manning. .


Stats say otherwise.

QB Rating:

Eli Manning: 103.8
Tom Brady: 91.1

Also, Brady played like Dog Doo* in the 2nd half tonight.

*(UnBrady-like)

Brady played well, but his first snap was the worst one....9 point swing. Eli had my MVP vote without hesitation.
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neal123454 wrote:
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I just think Brady played better than Manning. .


Stats say otherwise.

QB Rating:

Eli Manning: 103.8
Tom Brady: 91.1

Also, Brady played like Dog Doo* in the 2nd half tonight.

*(UnBrady-like)

Brady played well, but his first snap was the worst one....9 point swing. Eli had my MVP vote without hesitation.


Eh, usually those point-swings are in the other team's red zone, not sure if it is a 9 point swing when you get a safety but the other team starts off on their own 20. Also, if you think that was a big deal, why wouldn't you say the punter for MVP?

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My thoughts:

I'm still shocked Bradshaw didn't sit down at the one yard line
Both defenses were laying some wood out there, especially the secondaries
I have no doubt a healthy Gronkowski gives the Pats the win
The Eli to Manningham 4th qtr hookup was one of the greatest throw/catch I've seen
Congrats Giants fans

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endzoneview wrote:
My thoughts:

I'm still shocked Bradshaw didn't sit down at the one yard line
Both defenses were laying some wood out there, especially the secondaries
I have no doubt a healthy Gronkowski gives the Pats the win
The Eli to Manningham 4th qtr hookup was one of the greatest throw/catch I've seen
Congrats Giants fans


I agree with that assessment- it came down to Manningham making the catch and Welker not making the catch.

But MVP...I still say Giants fullback, Giants punter or Woodhead. I am not talking who the press gives it to, but who actually saved the game for their team. I know Brady won a few MVPs doing less than Eli did now. But those were weird - press things. Were you Sharks really impressed with Eli? Hell, I would take Manningham over Manning for this game and the guy had maybe 2 catches.

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Bunker wrote:
endzoneview wrote:
My thoughts:

I'm still shocked Bradshaw didn't sit down at the one yard line
Both defenses were laying some wood out there, especially the secondaries
I have no doubt a healthy Gronkowski gives the Pats the win
The Eli to Manningham 4th qtr hookup was one of the greatest throw/catch I've seen
Congrats Giants fans


I agree with that assessment- it came down to Manningham making the catch and Welker not making the catch.

But MVP...I still say Giants fullback, Giants punter or Woodhead. I am not talking who the press gives it to, but who actually saved the game for their team. I know Brady won a few MVPs doing less than Eli did now. But those were weird - press things. Were you Sharks really impressed with Eli? Hell, I would take Manningham over Manning for this game and the guy had maybe 2 catches.


Who cares about MVP? If no one else dominates the game, the QB wins by default. It's just the way it is.

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Bunker wrote:
Eh, usually those point-swings are in the other team's red zone, not sure if it is a 9 point swing when you get a safety but the other team starts off on their own 20. Also, if you think that was a big deal, why wouldn't you say the punter for MVP?

You don't think that first snap was the single most costly? Thanks for the correction about the 20 yrd line....I was thinking NY started on the 50.

Regarding the punter: he set them up. Tuck had the pressure. The secondary had good coverage--everyone had an equal part. It's on Brady to not take a saftey in the EZ. I stand by that play as the tone-setter and biggest mistake of the game.


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endzoneview wrote:
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endzoneview wrote:
My thoughts:

I'm still shocked Bradshaw didn't sit down at the one yard line
Both defenses were laying some wood out there, especially the secondaries
I have no doubt a healthy Gronkowski gives the Pats the win
The Eli to Manningham 4th qtr hookup was one of the greatest throw/catch I've seen
Congrats Giants fans


I agree with that assessment- it came down to Manningham making the catch and Welker not making the catch.

But MVP...I still say Giants fullback, Giants punter or Woodhead. I am not talking who the press gives it to, but who actually saved the game for their team. I know Brady won a few MVPs doing less than Eli did now. But those were weird - press things. Were you Sharks really impressed with Eli? Hell, I would take Manningham over Manning for this game and the guy had maybe 2 catches.


Who cares about MVP? If no one else dominates the game, the QB wins by default. It's just the way it is.


Well, it is the way it is due to TV analysts and idiots. You can still say someone was the MVP. If you think the QB is the MVP that is one thing, but to pick the QB due to default is just "sheepdome".

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If you think the QB is the MVP that is one thing, but to pick the QB due to default is just "sheepdome".

The QB does touch the ball the most---so if there needs to be a default, that is the appropriate position to look at.

Giving the punter the MVP is laughable imo--he's in for 5 plays a game.
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If you think the QB is the MVP that is one thing, but to pick the QB due to default is just "sheepdome".

The QB does touch the ball the most---so if there needs to be a default, that is the appropriate position to look at.

Giving the punter the MVP is laughable imo--he's in for 5 plays a game.


But he was the best player out there tonight.

He pinned the Pats deep at least two times- got the "nine point swing" - which I do not agree with- but he basically got the safety which made the Pats go for a TD at the end of the game and not a field goal. He also almost came damn close to pinning the Pats inside the 5 a 3rd time, but had a bad bounce.

Manning didn't have a bad game- just not as game changing as the Punter.

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Manning didn't have a bad game- just not as game changing as the Punter.

Woudn't have been game changing if Brady doesn't take a saftey;)

I like hearing some free thinking....this is pretty out there for me though.
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Congrats Giants fans! That was a fun game. :thumbright:
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neal123454 wrote:
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Manning didn't have a bad game- just not as game changing as the Punter.

Woudn't have been game changing if Brady doesn't take a saftey;)

I like hearing some free thinking....this is pretty out there for me though.


MVP voting was probably the least interesting thing about this game to me

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neal123454 wrote:
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Manning didn't have a bad game- just not as game changing as the Punter.

Woudn't have been game changing if Brady doesn't take a saftey;)

I like hearing some free thinking....this is pretty out there for me though.


Well, he didnt take the safety- it was a grounding call. Same thing tho. But that pass rush and forcing Brady to throw out of his end-zone was 100% punter related.

On to more important things. People are really saying that Madonna was the best halftime show ever? All over Facebook (from not football peeps) and Drudge, Youtube, etc.

It is like people forgot about the U2 halftime show after 9/11.



Nothing will ever top that. If you disagree with me you are probably a terrorist. (stealing a Gutfeld joke but I mean it).

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