el capitan wrote:When a team goes from a good player to a serviceable player, it sucks, I don't like it, so on and so forth. I don't believe that's the case here. I believe the Chiefs are going from a serviceable player to a player who needs to be replaced. Saving what? 3-4 million a year? It's not so much about Routt personally that gets me on this, it's the underlying message here - this isn't an attempt to get better, or to make room for youth, or because the hands were just tied. None of that applies here. They didn't want to overpay for Carr, so they found a cheaper alternative and will live with the diminished results. It's not about winning. And that pisses me off to no end.
I know it's CB, not QB, but this is like going from Matt Ryan to Alex Smith. Yeah, to some extent one can make justifications. But in the end you got worse to save a couple million a year and avoid overpaying Ryan.
One more thing. The more I think about it, the more I think they'll let Bowe walk. They already have a cheaper alternative on roster, potentially drafted to take his spot in Jon Baldwin. I mean, they've only got, according to some sources, ~ $20 mil to work with. Money's tight, gotta make tough decisions. Not signing Carr long term before this season was understandable, considering his situation. Not so with Bowe. They knew he'd command a good contract. I'm beginning to think they drafted Baldwin as a replacement, not as a complement. There will be those folks who try to justify that decision too.
I see a fan and one who loves his team. I dont mean that in a disrespectful way - im one myself - but i think if you can (not saying its possible as we all struggle) take a step back froms eeing a fan favorite likely leaving then you mighnt be too upset. Cincy fans were the same about Jonathan Joseph leaving and theyve done okay (again) without him
From an objective point of view, i dont see that big a downgrade from Routt. I actually think it could even work out better for the Chiefs. Im looking at both their past 2 yrs of production, the schemes, the personnel around them and the salaries.
Im for it 110% as improving the teams roster and salary cap. Just a quick question though as ive given plenty of info as to why its not a downgrade.
Q: Why do you think youre going to get diminished results? What are you basing that off of exactly?
And there's no justification here and im sorry you think im justifying for a GM and franchise ive had a go at before
I dont agree with all their moves - like when i was trying to persuade you alst off-season that Cassel was heading for a fall after Weis left (tho w/Haley gone hes got more of a chance than id have given him this time last year!) - but im 100% behind this as a good move for the team. I DONT think youre worse off at the position.
Guess only time will tell the story though, like last year
FWIW, Baldwin wasnt brought in to compete for Bowe's spot - he hasnt got the attitude to compete for it. Hopefully TJ has shown him the error of his ways? He does however have the talent if his heads screwed on to be productive.
And i dont want to go too far OT here, but i also dont think its fair to say "Hey wait a minute why didnt we get Bowe all signed up already!". If you look around the league there are a number of franchises either in similar spots w/regard to franchising key players which shouldve been done a while ago OR// in worse situations (Like Wallace & the Steelers)
# Dont forget between the CBA, lack of off-season, arrangement for alot of FAs to run into 2012 by all 32 teams if theyd locked him up to a mega bucks contract only to find out that the market was softer with players like VJax, DJax, Colston, Meachem, Lloyd etc theFans would be berating them for over-paying ...
# If theyd signed him to a contract last year as well, then the same section of the fan base would also be berating them for Bowe's lack of effort and saying they should have waited to get him a contract.
# Also the same fans would probably be upset if he got overpaid based off of a record breaking year for him (15 TDs) rather than a year of more normal production.
# It takes TWO parties to come to a deal. If Bowe is - and has been asking for over 2011 - more than the team can afford, then you can slate the GM and FO all you like, its the player's greed thats getting in the way and despite the fact they may have just made a move that makes reaching a middle ground more likely (ie clearing potential cap drain of keeping TWO corners on big money) you're probably still going to blast them for it, right?
Bottom line is Bowe is after a Holmes type deal (which is $45million over 5yrs, according to Jim Trotter @SI), which is - ta-raaaaah! - about the same $$'s as a franchise tag for a WR in 2012 ($9million) anyway So whats the problem with waiting one year to get a more "normal " read on his stats to go to the negotiating table with and buying a years worth of negotiating time while you're there? Sounds suspicioulsy like a decent FO move (unlike Cassel's contract)