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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 17:31 
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/90532 ... -tuck-rule

Really? 11 years after they screwed the Raiders over with a rule that nobody had ever heard of ?? :censor: :censor:

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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 17:37 
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How is this NOT a fumble?? :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 18:15 
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SnakeStabler wrote:
How is this NOT a fumble?? :roll:


NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.

By the rules the game was played with, it was not a fumble. You can never change that. You can argue that Calvin Johnson caught that TD pass, you can argue that this was a fumble, but the rules say the opposite. The game has rules. All those overtime games won by the first team kicking a field goal ... they happened. That loss of possession by Brady as he attempted to tuck the ball ... still a forward pass start, and therefore not a fumble. The announcers simply didn't know the rule. They kept crowing that Brady was tucking the ball, which is exactly qualified it as an incomplete pass, and not a fumble.

The rule seems designed to make it easy on the officials ... any forward motion of the arm makes it a pass, which is either complete, incomplete or intercepted. Since it hit the ground it was incomplete. At full speed, I don't see how the official is supposed to figure out the QB is pump faking or passing.


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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 18:41 
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votingmachine wrote:
SnakeStabler wrote:
How is this NOT a fumble?? :roll:


NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.

By the rules the game was played with, it was not a fumble. You can never change that. You can argue that Calvin Johnson caught that TD pass, you can argue that this was a fumble, but the rules say the opposite. The game has rules. All those overtime games won by the first team kicking a field goal ... they happened. That loss of possession by Brady as he attempted to tuck the ball ... still a forward pass start, and therefore not a fumble. The announcers simply didn't know the rule. They kept crowing that Brady was tucking the ball, which is exactly qualified it as an incomplete pass, and not a fumble.

The rule seems designed to make it easy on the officials ... any forward motion of the arm makes it a pass, which is either complete, incomplete or intercepted. Since it hit the ground it was incomplete. At full speed, I don't see how the official is supposed to figure out the QB is pump faking or passing.

Looks like its going to be a fumble no matter what, after this goes away.Which is the way it should always have been.

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You never hear Raider Fan say shoot about Woodson clubbing Brady in the head on that play...


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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 19:19 
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Elmagister wrote:
You never hear Raider Fan say shoot about Woodson clubbing Brady in the head on that play...

Thats because he hit his shoulder, swinging down across his arm. Did you watch the replays? Look at minute 3:08-09. A clear view is seen there. Nobody hit poor golden boys head.

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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 19:20 
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SnakeStabler wrote:
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You never hear Raider Fan say shoot about Woodson clubbing Brady in the head on that play...

Thats because he hit his shoulder, swinging down across his arm. Did you watch the replays? Look at minute 3:08-09. A clear view is seen there. Nobody hit poor golden boys head.


Look again @ 3:18. Then let it go. It's over.


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Soooooo?????...how far will the ball have to travel to be ruled an incompletion as opposed to a fumble????? just curious where the cut off line will be?


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PostPosted: Fri 03.15.2013, 21:23 
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Not sure how they will define it, if this change is made. I know there were a couple games I watched where Big Ben had some plays called that were questionable because of the current rule as written. Should be interesting to see how this plays out next season.

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you gotta wonder if they should just say 'if the ball doesnt get past the line of scrimmage then its a fumble' ..... that would sure heat things up when the little swing and screen passes get dropped.....
as a side note...i always got kind of mad that balls caught behind the line of scrimmage count as a reception when technically its not really a forward pass if it doesnt get past the original line of scrimmage in the air is it????....this would sure as heck shake up fantasyland if they start altering such things on the real life gridiron.


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Elmagister wrote:
SnakeStabler wrote:
Elmagister wrote:
You never hear Raider Fan say shoot about Woodson clubbing Brady in the head on that play...

Thats because he hit his shoulder, swinging down across his arm. Did you watch the replays? Look at minute 3:08-09. A clear view is seen there. Nobody hit poor golden boys head.


Look again @ 3:18. Then let it go. It's over.


This.

X 11 freaking years.

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It was a bad call...


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Boogs34 wrote:
It was a bad call...


I know...club to the QB head gets called 99 out of 100 times.


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Elmagister wrote:
Boogs34 wrote:
It was a bad call...


I know...club to the QB head gets called 99 out of 100 times.

not in 2001

but hey keep applying today's game to yesteryear. Dan Marino would have thrown for 6000 yards and 60 TDs


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