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 Post subject: Re: Chargers WRs
PostPosted: Fri 06.22.2012, 19:39 
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I love that the "stadius" thing carries on after so many years. Good stuff!

I'd say Rivers is a good enough QB to bounce back to elite stadius. Floyd would be my first choice of the SD receivers. I wouldn't go for Gates unless he falls past the 5th round.

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 Post subject: Re: Chargers WRs
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jnadke wrote:
^^ Yet another reason why drafting Floyd at his 10th round ADP is not "value".

Reception pecking order:
1. Meachem - $6 million salary
2. Gates - $4 million salary
3. Royal/Floyd/Mathews - $2-1 million
4. Brown - $400k
5. Parrish

Smells of too many mouths to feed.

Drew Brees threw for 5300 yards but you didn't see people drooling over Devery Henderson.
Aaron Rodgers threw 45 TDs but you didn't see people clamoring for James Jones.


:lol: at the idea that you can 'overpay' for a WR in the 10th round.

90% of WRs drafted in the 10th round are completely worthless.

I like how salary will determine passes thrown to. :roll: Call me crazy, but I think I'll just wait till TC and preseason and not really worry about salary dictating order of importance just quite yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Chargers WRs
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pwbowen wrote:
:lol: at the idea that you can 'overpay' for a WR in the 10th round.

90% of WRs drafted in the 10th round are completely worthless.

I like how salary will determine passes thrown to. :roll: Call me crazy, but I think I'll just wait till TC and preseason and not really worry about salary dictating order of importance just quite yet.

Because clearly a team is going to throw $6 million/year at a guy so he can catch 30 passes. :roll: :roll: :F :stupid:


Salary doesn't determine passes, but it can be a loose measure of commitment. And in fantasy, any semblance of getting inside a team's strategy is an advantage. Especially one that has had as much going on as the Chargers.

Rivers is going to throw 4000+ yards no matter what; you'd be foolish to not want a piece of that.


Considering most people are looking at their TE1 or QB2 in these rounds, why buy a receiver that will never produce enough to see a fantasy roster starting spot? There are better guys I'd take a coin flip on in later rounds.


It's quite easy and foolish to take any single argument I made and break it down. All I'm saying is, next year Floyd is a FA, and not only have the Chargers talked anything out long-term, they brought on redundant guys, in addition to new rookies. Further, despite him being 8th year receiver, they still brought in a guy who doesn't know the system and gave him a pay bump over Floyd. Sounds like the management is very confident in Floyd. Further, Floyd is 30, he hasn't broken out yet, why would anyone expect him to break out now?


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The lower paid guys are under rookie/older contracts. I think you're putting too much weight on their pay.


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As a Phillip Rivers owner I hate this thread. A nice dose of the up comings year of reality.

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badgasman9 wrote:
As a Phillip Rivers owner I hate this thread. A nice dose of the up comings year of reality.


I owned him for the first time last year. Oops :oops:

However, if I wait on QB I'll gladly take him at his current ADP


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badgasman9 wrote:
As a Phillip Rivers owner I hate this thread. A nice dose of the up comings year of reality.


I owned him for the first time last year. Oops :oops:

However, if I wait on QB I'll gladly take him at his current ADP


Me its a 5th round dyno pick I want back. Dammm you Al Gore Dam you straight to hell. I think Eli went in round 15-20ish.

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badgasman9 wrote:
endzoneview wrote:
badgasman9 wrote:
As a Phillip Rivers owner I hate this thread. A nice dose of the up comings year of reality.


I owned him for the first time last year. Oops :oops:

However, if I wait on QB I'll gladly take him at his current ADP


Me its a 5th round dyno pick I want back. Dammm you Al Gore Dam you straight to hell. I think Eli went in round 15-20ish.


Yeah, new dyno owners got suckered. All you can do it hold, hope for a good season, then maybe flip.


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Yeah, I can't see wasting a pick on Floyd in the 10th. That's usually the round where I realized I took the whole "wait on a QB" thing too far, having missed 2 or so QB runs, and end up taking Mark Sanchez again. Not ready to move on from that strategy.

I am taking a flier on Royal when it presents itself, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Chargers WRs
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jnadke wrote:
pwbowen wrote:
:lol: at the idea that you can 'overpay' for a WR in the 10th round.

90% of WRs drafted in the 10th round are completely worthless.

I like how salary will determine passes thrown to. :roll: Call me crazy, but I think I'll just wait till TC and preseason and not really worry about salary dictating order of importance just quite yet.

Because clearly a team is going to throw $6 million/year at a guy so he can catch 30 passes. :roll: :roll: :F :stupid:


Salary doesn't determine passes, but it can be a loose measure of commitment. And in fantasy, any semblance of getting inside a team's strategy is an advantage. Especially one that has had as much going on as the Chargers.

Rivers is going to throw 4000+ yards no matter what; you'd be foolish to not want a piece of that.


Considering most people are looking at their TE1 or QB2 in these rounds, why buy a receiver that will never produce enough to see a fantasy roster starting spot? There are better guys I'd take a coin flip on in later rounds.


It's quite easy and foolish to take any single argument I made and break it down. All I'm saying is, next year Floyd is a FA, and not only have the Chargers talked anything out long-term, they brought on redundant guys, in addition to new rookies. Further, despite him being 8th year receiver, they still brought in a guy who doesn't know the system and gave him a pay bump over Floyd. Sounds like the management is very confident in Floyd. Further, Floyd is 30, he hasn't broken out yet, why would anyone expect him to break out now?


The pay was based on market value it has no relative comparison to Floyd. Do I think Floyd's gonna be a stud? No. I think he'll be a WR3/4 really and will draft as such.

My point is that when they hit TC and preseason Meachem's name won't be in ink as the starter just because he's getting $6M a year. They didn't spend Calvin money. Helll, they didn't spend Garcon money.

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pwbowen wrote:
My point is that when they hit TC and preseason Meachem's name won't be in ink as the starter just because he's getting $6M a year. They didn't spend Calvin money. Helll, they didn't spend Garcon money.


They did spend Greg Jennings money. Or Anquan Boldin money.


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jnadke wrote:
pwbowen wrote:
My point is that when they hit TC and preseason Meachem's name won't be in ink as the starter just because he's getting $6M a year. They didn't spend Calvin money. Helll, they didn't spend Garcon money.


They did spend Greg Jennings money. Or Anquan Boldin money.


Jennings is in the 4th year of a 4 year deal, isn't he?

So you are right, he got 2009 money for a WR. Um, salaries have escalated quite a bit over the years.

Also, you aren't looking at the contract correctly.

4 years, $25.9M, yes.

But $7.5M was a signing bonus and this year's salary is only $1.5M (which is guaranteed) and 2013 is $5M (which is guaranteed).

I don't think you have that much of a backloaded deal if they were certain he was gonna be the man.

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I really don't know what the Chargers are thinking. Amongst other bad personel moves, they are going to regret letting a guy like Vincent Jackson walk away after mistreating him for 2 years.




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TrojanKing wrote:
I really don't know what the Chargers are thinking. Amongst other bad personel moves, they are going to regret letting a guy like Vincent Jackson walk away after mistreating him for 2 years.




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How did they mistreat him?

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