Cyguy84 wrote:Sorry for all the posts, but I am on my phone and it is the only way to reply to different posts.
Couple of points...
1- teams regularly put players on IR if they were inactive on Sunday. Are you saying that they made illegal moves? I will gladly go through last year and drop every player illegally put on IR if that is what the rules stated.
2- similarly, are you saying that nobody is IR eligible this offseason? Should I give everyone a week to put players on active before they are cut?
If you are going to interpret the rules rigidly here, apply it equally.
3- I think your argument about there not being an IR report during the offseason helps my case, actually. The last IR report published, they were on ir. The next IR report published will be during training camp, and any pup players will be listed as inactive. Therefore IR eligible.
So either there is no IR during the offseason and every team is in violation or the training camp report is valid.
The basic concept I am advocating isn't keeping control of players to circumvent the laws. It is to protect teams that might be missing players for at least half the season. They should be able to participating in the auction without having a hurt player counting towards the limit.
No worries about points - might help seperate things up a bit - just dont post n drive, mmmkay! #1
If you re-read the IR rules youll see there is more to the bylaw than i posted - as much as youd like to go back and remove players that WERENT on the friday report to help you prove a point, youll see this eventuality was covered in the rules already
Something you pointed out to me very early on when i queried the legality of a couple of IR moves if you recall:
Since no official injury report is released before Thursday games players on teams with Thursday games are only eligible for IR if they are on the NFL’s official IR report. If a player has been declared OUT, the owner can prove it, and MFL has not recognized it an owner can petition the commish to place said player on IR. Abuse of this policy will not be tolerated. Abusing this policy won’t be difficult and we also realize that mistakes will happen, so defining that line between “oops” and “abuse” is difficult and may lead to inter-league turmoil we’d like to avoid – please don’t let it come to that
So thats covered ...#2
If you want to you can, ive got 5 on IR and im prepared for it and have planned accordingly for them to be active next year. So if youd like to, feel free as ive got as many on IR as you have AND i have a problem at WR which is similar to yours, though less severe (no room and rice is a PUP candidate)
Oar also has 5 on IR
Fact of the matter is we dont have to do anything ... all we have to do is comply with roster reqs when req'd
, which is post draft/auction.
If you want to do it sooner? A matter of weeks makes no difference either way, and im fine with it if everyone else is
If like Oar was saying you can find ANY examples of this having happened since the inception of the league then youve completely
proven your point and will solve everything
Im honestly all for someone being able to prove definitively one way or the other. If you can find the smoking gun im with you 100%, till then it doesnt feel like its right #3
Cy wrote:So either there is no IR during the offseason
There never is
But why, i hear you ask of course there is?? Really?!!
Whatre you going to do ...
Rush to the WW to stock up while noones looking? Its locked.
Start inelegible players in games against conference opponents? No games.
Hoard QBs?TE/WRs etc? You'll only have to drop them again pre-season and youve just telegraphed your "likes"
Players on or off the IR during the off-season? Its just "housekeeping".
Dont foget IR is an NFL term applicable for that years schedule: From roster cutdown through to the Superbowl. THATS IT. As soon as that schedules done, the player is no longer on IR - not till next roster cutdown. We agree, there is no IR during the off season
Its why its not policed, its irrelevant.There is NO competitive advantage or use for IR during the offseason - no need to police it, no need to enforce it, no need to do anything with it.There IS however a clear competitive advantage after the draft and auction though in the preseason
And this is why it matters and why i dont believe the rules were intended to be open to translation this way
If it makes you feel any
happier? Im fine with cutting 5 players, right now, tonight and moving my IR players into position.
As i understand it i dont have to (why? because the offseason has no use for IR) but i do in a matter of weeks really (why? because then IR becomes a factor that can be exploited for stashing auction and draft picks) so if you want 'em done today? Its be a bit like building a garage before you have a car, but if it prevents any problems - ill roll with it.
I think the compromise i put fwds earlier will probably please neither you nor oar, but it will
resolve your concerns and his i think