Rolen's old and oft injured, relying on him for next season would not be wise imo. What you've gotten out of him this year wasn't expected, anything you would've gotten from him after he returns from the DL is also a bonus but as it turns out you traded him at the right time, before he inevitably hit the DL. Not saying the replacements available next season are anything special, but I don't get citing Rolen in the manner that you did. Encarnacion's not the answer, at least not defensively, he's something worse than a butcher but he can hit. I think the deal was part to accomodate Rolen's wants and part to get more pitching in the system. One is major league ready, the other should be next year from what I read and he could be a staple in the back end of the pen.TaZZ wrote:OarChambo wrote:Not defending Riccardi's past mistakes...he's had a ton of them and imo deserves to be shown the door. I just don't get why this was the straw that broke the camel's back with some of you...not just here, other boards too. There are certain limitations teams like Toronto have to deal with and having your (as of sometime in 2008) 2, 3, and 4 pitcher out for all of 2009 is not something most teams like Toronto can come back from. I think they've done pretty well considering. To justify dealing Roy they should demand a top return, which Riccardi did, no one offered so they stood pat...correctly imo. If you had gotten similar to what Cleveland got for Cliff Lee you and every other Jays homer would be screaming 'rape' like most Cleveland fans have done...and that's about what Toronto was being offered.TaZZ wrote:OarChambo wrote:I didn't know it was Riccardi's fault most of the pitching staff after Halladay is hurt. It's amazing how well the starting rotation is doing considering as of last season most of these guys were supposed to be counted on as anything more than spot starters.
Surely you're not saying Riccardi still deserves to be employed after almost a decade of uncompetitive baseball, despite having a 100 million dollar budget for a couple of years.
It's Riccardi's fault that this team has no direction. One year they are spending big money on guys like Frank Thomas, Troy Glaus, Rolen trying to win now. The next year, we're listening to offers on our 32 year old ace for a boatload of prospects. Then, a week later, we're expecting to compete next season after keeping our ace but trading our solid 3B for a couple prospects.
This organization is a complete cluster"mess". Our mlb team is below average and our prospects are below average. Nobody wants to choose a direction and stick with it. Nobody wants to make the important decisions (trading an ace, firing Riccardi).
I agree, he wasn't getting the value. I'm more pissed that this team has no direction. Now, Rios is gone, so:
- We keep Halladay because we're not getting value.
- JP says, we're going to compete next season.
- Trade Scott Rolen for an error prone and streaky at best 3B and 2 young arms. The best scenario replacement next year is Chone Figgins as a free agent, this is a downgrade and will likely cost us the same.
- Dump Alex Rios for NOTHING. The best scenario is we sign a guy like Abreu or Dye to play RF. Still a downgrade, but would save us money.
So, we're expected to compete next season, but now we have potentially HUGE holes at SS (I doubt we'll offer Scutero the money he'll want, we'll take the 2 first rounders), 3B, RF and a HUGE Vernon Wells contract messing with our financial flexibility. Doesn't sound like a move forward to me, so what's it gonna be JP?
I'd offer JP the benefit of the doubt, but he's done nothing to deserve that.
Rios isn't anything special and wasn't worth close to his bad contract, Riccardi bears the blame for the contract but it's better to realize a bad investment mid contract while you can still rid yourself of it than not at all, see Vernon Wells. I think Abreu would be an upgrade, Dye's not but if he's cheap enough...