FantasyHussy wrote:He simply can never, ever be associated with Kobe, MJ, or even Wade himself anymore.
c'mon bro...seriously? is everyone forgetting that all of these so-called "GOATs" couldn't get it done w/out a sidekick(s)?
Kobe needed Shaq...and then proved he couldn't get it done until Gasol arrived. Hell, Shaq was the 3-time Finals MVP last I checked...and Kobe was 2nd fiddle during those years. Sure, Kobe has evolved into the best closer in the game right now, and is easily 1st fiddle with LAL right now, but it doesn't change the fact he couldn't win it all until Gasol was acquired.
Wade also needed Shaq to get a ring. Anyone in their right mind that knows basketball can easily argue that Wade was top dog during their championship run...hell, I agree. But he still needed Shaq. You could say that Shaq needed Wade to get a 4th ring more than Wade needed Shaq to get his 1st. I'll agree with that.
Jordan is most likely to be argued as the exception to the rule. 6 rings. 6 finals MVPs. unquestioned best player in the game. etc. etc. etc. But he still played alongside arguably the greatest "wingman" in history. Pippen was an all-world defender, rebounder, and team player. He did everything asked of a guy who was not "the man" on his own team...and did it well above average. Even when Jordan retired for two years, Pippen was still an all-star. As far as Jordan being called "clutch"...I'm not gonna argue that one bit. Anyone can call upon some of his most memorable game-winners in postseason play (vs. Ehlo and the Cavs, vs. Byron Russell and the Jazz, etc)...but nobody mentions how his teammates have done the same thing for him in crunch time. John Paxson sank a game-winner that CLINCHED THE 93 FINALS. Had he missed that shot, the Bulls would've been playing a game 7 on the road, and MJ may only have 5 rings. Steve Kerr sank a game-winner in Game 6 of the 97 Finals that did the same thing. @ Vickfan: these are examples of coaching down the stretch, not "pass to LBJ and get out of the way"...
Has Lebron EVER had this kind of support? How about an emphatic HELL NO! Only two other players he's ever played with his entire career has made an All-Star team, (Z in '03, Mo in '09) and one took a coach's vote to get him on the squad (Mo last year...who, ironically, replaced an injured Bosh...lol). I'm not saying LBJ is a saint...I'm not saying he belongs in the same "GOAT-talks" as MJ, Bird, Magic...I'm saying that the Cavaliers shortcomings the past few years had less to do with what LBJ didn't do vs. what his teammates didn't do. The Cavs never won a title b/c they have been beat by better teams. Period. And judging from LBJ's overall stat line in the playoffs, I'd say the finger-pointing should shift elsewhere. Blame management for not making any moves during any of the trade deadlines. Blame Mike Brown for riding his best player as far as one man can take you and not being creative enough to know how to get more production out of his other talent on the squad: A.Jamison = choke. 20ppg in reg season...11ppg in playoffs...only one double-digit scoring game against BOS in semis.
Lebron's only 25. And he will have rings. yes, rings...as in plural. People are saying he's gonna be 2nd fiddle to Wade? I doubt it. Not saying it's not possible, but I doubt it.
And for the record, Miami is the last place I wanted to see him go. Chicago was definitely the best fit.
/2nd rant over