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....i think he puts up 20+ tds this year and leads the pats to the afc championship.
i really think he can...
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Well, he hasn't started a game since HS, but starting out against the Jets is kinda like HS, so you may be right.
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I want to see next week's game before completely making up my mind.
I don't think having Moss hurts his chances though.
Am I the only one that thought of Culpeppers name when Brady went down? Moss and him had a good run together in MIN.
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| Posted: Tue 09.09.2008, 22:10 Post subject: |
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| The Peoples Champ wrote: | I want to see next week's game before completely making up my mind.
I don't think having Moss hurts his chances though.
Am I the only one that thought of Culpeppers name when Brady went down? Moss and him had a good run together in MIN. |
No, they mentioned him on MNF pregame, but I think that'd be a big mistake. The question is: How good is Matt Cassell? I'd say he's about as good as one Super Bowl Winning QB I can think of right now off the top of my head...Trent Dilfer. He's got the team around him.
But, I will say this about Cassell as well: Kyle Orton > Matt Cassell, for what it's worth...draw your conclusions from there...
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| Posted: Tue 09.09.2008, 22:14 Post subject: Re: matt cassell... |
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| HurricaneNamedDitka wrote: | ....i think he puts up 20+ tds this year and leads the pats to the afc championship.
i really think he can... |
I assume you are basing that opinion on the weapons around him? The coaching? Otherwise what would we base an estimate of 20 TDs and a championship on?
Without Brady, Belicheck didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire.
Unless, of course, you're joking. 
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I'm not going to predict a stat line, but there's just too much talent around him to pass up taking a bet on him.
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| JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya...
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| LVSharks wrote: | | The Peoples Champ wrote: | I want to see next week's game before completely making up my mind.
I don't think having Moss hurts his chances though.
Am I the only one that thought of Culpeppers name when Brady went down? Moss and him had a good run together in MIN. |
No, they mentioned him on MNF pregame, but I think that'd be a big mistake. The question is: How good is Matt Cassell? I'd say he's about as good as one Super Bowl Winning QB I can think of right now off the top of my head...Trent Dilfer. He's got the team around him.
But, I will say this about Cassell as well: Kyle Orton > Matt Cassell, for what it's worth...draw your conclusions from there... |
That's a very good point.
I think the biggest thing to realize here is what you said, the team is there for him to be successful.
I guess in the coming weeks if Cassell does well we will have to decide whether:
A. The Pats team/system is just that good
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B. Cassell is better then we thought.
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| CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise.
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| JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise. |
When did the Superbowl become an individual event? And don't even think about playing the MVP card, even Eli has one of those. 
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| CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise. |
When did the Superbowl become an individual event? And don't even think about playing the MVP card, even Eli has one of those. |
And so does the previously mentioned Dilfer!
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| Posted: Tue 09.09.2008, 22:31 Post subject: |
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| CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise. |
When did the Superbowl become an individual event? And don't even think about playing the MVP card, even Eli has one of those. |
You're the one who brought up the Brady-Moss connection. Brady won championships with the likes of Branch and Brown. So saying Brady did nothing of report before Moss is silly.
I suppose lightning could strike twice for the Pats. But it's highly unlikely IMO ... Moss or not.
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| JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise. |
When did the Superbowl become an individual event? And don't even think about playing the MVP card, even Eli has one of those. |
You're the one who brought up the Brady-Moss connection. Brady won championships with the likes of Branch and Brown. So saying Brady did nothing of report before Moss is silly.
I suppose lightning could strike twice for the Pats. But it's highly unlikely IMO ... Moss or not. |
Brady did not win championships, the Patriots did. I think Brady is as steady as they come but dramatically overrated lately, and not enough credit is given to the team around him and play calling. I think any QB who can avoid mistakes can succeed on the Pats, without Moss. With Moss, I think those chances are even better.
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The thread about "LT's Turf Toe" in the Main Tank is exactly why this forum is needed.
 
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| CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart wrote: | | CleffedUp wrote: | | JimHart should have wrote: | | Without Moss, Brady didn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. |
Fixed that for ya... |
Brady has a couple of Lombardi Trophies that say otherwise. |
When did the Superbowl become an individual event? And don't even think about playing the MVP card, even Eli has one of those. |
You're the one who brought up the Brady-Moss connection. Brady won championships with the likes of Branch and Brown. So saying Brady did nothing of report before Moss is silly.
I suppose lightning could strike twice for the Pats. But it's highly unlikely IMO ... Moss or not. |
Brady did not win championships, the Patriots did. I think Brady is as steady as they come but dramatically overrated lately, and not enough credit is given to the team around him and play calling. I think any QB who can avoid mistakes can succeed on the Pats, without Moss. With Moss, I think those chances are even better. |
Again, you are the one who said Brady had not set the world on fire without Moss. He celebrated Super Bowl championships, won MVP awards, went to Pro Bowls, etc. with far lesser WRs so your statement is inaccurate. I would disagree substantially with the supposition that Brady is overrated and easily replaceable.
Now you may be right and time will tell ... but at this point all relevant facts, proof, and history say otherwise.
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