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MFL actual drafts.

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1. 1.01 Richardson, Trent CLE RB 3.25 1 193 97
2. 1.02 Luck, Andrew IND QB 5.25 1 196 97
3. 1.03 Martin, Doug TBB RB 5.60 2 195 101
4. 1.04 Griffin III, Robert WAS QB 5.94 1 194 101
5. 1.05 Blackmon, Justin JAC WR 6.71 2 197 97
6. 1.06 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 8.49 2 198 98
7. 1.07 Wilson, David NYG RB 8.87 3 199 101
8. 1.08 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 13.59 4 207 101
9. 1.09 Fleener, Coby IND TE 13.70 3 202 101
10. 1.10 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB 14.16 3 36 82
11. 1.11 Pead, Isaiah STL RB 15.69 6 206 101
12. 1.12 Hillman, Ronnie DEN RB 16.19 4 200 101
13. 2.01 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 16.21 6 203 99
14. 2.02 Hill, Stephen NYJ WR 16.78 5 209 101
15. 2.03 Quick, Brian STL WR 17.62 6 204 100
16. 2.04 Miller, Lamar MIA RB 19.10 7 208 99
17. 2.05 Randle, Rueben NYG WR 21.54 7 215 100
18. 2.06 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB 22.66 4 205 101
19. 2.07 James, LaMichael SFO RB 23.98 8 212 97
20. 2.08 Barron, Mark TBB S 24.59 9 72 82
21. 2.09 Sanu, Mohamed CIN WR 25.31 11 218 97
22. 2.10 David, Lavonte TBB LB 27.20 10 72 80
23. 2.11 Broyles, Ryan DET WR 27.50 12 220 98
24. 2.12 Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR 28.54 6 210 98
25. 3.01 Hightower, Dont'a NEP LB 29.20 13 69 80
26. 3.02 Weeden, Brandon CLE QB 30.25 6 201 100
27. 3.03 Claiborne, Morris DAL CB 31.18 7 70 80
28. 3.04 Upshaw, Courtney BAL DE 33.28 5 73 81
29. 3.05 Pierce, Bernard BAL RB 33.70 14 223 96
30. 3.06 Kendricks, Mychal PHI LB 34.56 14 71 77
31. 3.07 Green, Ladarius SDC TE 36.93 18 221 94
32. 3.08 Turbin, Robert SEA RB 37.24 13 227 99
33. 3.09 Wagner, Bobby SEA LB 37.44 14 79 73
34. 3.10 Childs, Greg MIN WR 37.44 13 225 93
35. 3.11 Givens, Chris STL WR 37.73 18 214 97
36. 3.12 Jones, Chandler NEP DE 39.58 11 75 77
37. 4.01 Ingram, Melvin SDC LB 39.74 8 72 78
38. 4.02 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 39.82 17 224 94
39. 4.03 Toon, Nick NOS WR 40.75 15 228 97
40. 4.04 Coples, Quinton NYJ DE 41.49 9 72 76
41. 4.05 Polk, Chris PHI RB 42.18 14 229 83
42. 4.06 Branch, Andre JAC DE 42.96 16 111 70
43. 4.07 Allen, Dwayne IND TE 45.55 17 219 94
44. 4.08 Rainey, Chris PIT RB 46.27 17 231 88
45. 4.09 Posey, DeVier HOU WR 47.26 23 216 78
46. 4.10 Irvin, Bruce SEA DE 47.86 17 75 69
47. 4.11 Smith, Harrison MIN S 47.95 15 76 73
48. 4.12 Adams, Joe CAR WR 48.38 18 233 79
49. 5.01 Davis, Demario NYJ LB 48.55 19 90 51
50. 5.02 McClellin, Shea CHI DE 49.16 22 84 64
51. 5.03 Perry, Nick GBP LB 49.37 12 118 54
52. 5.04 Wilson, Russell SEA QB 49.49 10 211 88
53. 5.05 Hilton, TY IND WR 49.51 17 236 81
54. 5.06 Ballard, Vick IND RB 49.76 9 235 79
55. 5.07 Gray, Cyrus KCC RB 50.10 16 240 81
56. 5.08 Osweiler, Brock DEN QB 50.23 22 217 74
57. 5.09 Cox, Fletcher PHI DT 50.72 14 95 54
58. 5.10 Gilmore, Stephon BUF CB 51.59 24 96 51
59. 5.11 Wylie, Devon KCC WR 52.26 26 93 65
60. 5.12 Poole, Tauren CAR RB 52.69 34 117 13


Griff3 going 4th to me is the largest stunner. An offense that has weapons built ready to roll and they draft Luck who at best is 5 years down the road before he can start for you. See Cam Newton. Luck and RG could be a hen a piece.

then Pead and Fleener after Kendall Wright. Wright plays 3rd fiddle behind to extreme talents of Britt and CJ with a rookie QB running the show.

Hill after Alshon and Hillman makes no sense. Both are not a sure bet to see the field any time soon. Hillman's day may never come as Fox loves to blow a first rounder on an RB.

Nick Toon 4.3 is an incredible value. Colston plays about 6 games a year not including playoffs. Lance Moore goes down just as quick. Meachum left. Brees could make
Troy Williamson relevant. I'd say 3.2 and that still value.

Last AJ Jenkins at 2.12. I know its a risky pick. Low passing output offense. But see Torrey Smith who fell last year on bad press and showed that it can be turned around. He would not fall past 2.3 on my board.

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badgasman9 wrote:
then Pead and Fleener after Kendall Wright. Wright plays 3rd fiddle behind to extreme talents of Britt and CJ with a rookie QB running the show.

Nick Toon 4.3 is an incredible value. Colston plays about 6 games a year not including playoffs. Lance Moore goes down just as quick. Meachum left. Brees could make
Troy Williamson relevant. I'd say 3.2 and that still value.


I think - and maybe saints fans can back me up or tell me im wrong - but id be worried about Nick Toon getting PT anytime soon. I think Joe Morgan (A UDFA i namechecked here last off-season) & Adrian Arrington will get shots ahead of Nick Toon tbh. That thing about even making troy williamson relevant works for and aginst Toon.

Completely agree about Pead (not so much Fleener, but then im lower on him than most) being taken after Wright. I think the OTAs have probably done that. Either way id take him (Pead) over the other two options.
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[-X It's really not fair to comment unless you post each team's roster so each draft pick can be taken in context of addressing positional needs.

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For the record, I took Luck with 1.03 in my MFL dynasty, RG3 went 1.04, Pead went 1.07, I took Fleener with 2.03 after Wright went at 2.02, AJ Jenkins went mid-second, and Nick Toon went mid-3rd. I took Childs over Toon. The way I look at it, Toon is a WR5 on a team that throws mainly to Sproles and Graham. Childs, a complete burner, will be starting week 1 with Harvin getting most of the attention (think Torrey Smith).

Again, it's hard to comment without putting a team's dynasty rules and roster needs into consideration. I'm perfectly happy keeping Luck on my Taxi Squad for 3-4 years if I have to. Both Richardson and Martin will have blown their wheels off by that point and I'll still get another 7 productive seasons out of Luck. To each-his-own though, right?

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I'd rather own Luck over RG3 in all situations. I'm not so worried about this assumed 'immediate production', as I'm not so sure RG3 beats out Luck even right away. RG3 is a raw prospect, coming out of an offense (spread air raid type) that I can't name a single QB to ever come out of in the NFL. He's the type of prospect who should sit a year and is far more risky than Luck.

I also don't see the Hillman or Pead hype when LaMichael James, who weighs about the same but only 3 inches shorter or so is considered more of a flier who can only pull a Sproles type role.

As a Hawks fan, I'd have to say Turbin and Wagner falling that far is crazy. Wagner is all but guaranteed to be playing MLB from day 1, and his pass coverage skills and speed make him a 3-down player, which is why he was our target (behind Kendricks, mind you) and Turbin was drafted specifically to be the backup for Lynch and potential successor, and Lynch's running style all but guarantees he misses time this year. Pierce and Hightower going before these 2 is a headscratcher for me.
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I'll chime in after my 2 shark dyno drafts.. but I see some fun times for my teams if this list plays out in my drafts.

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MFL actual drafts.

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1. 1.01 Richardson, Trent CLE RB 3.25 1 193 97
2. 1.02 Luck, Andrew IND QB 5.25 1 196 97
3. 1.03 Martin, Doug TBB RB 5.60 2 195 101
4. 1.04 Griffin III, Robert WAS QB 5.94 1 194 101
5. 1.05 Blackmon, Justin JAC WR 6.71 2 197 97
6. 1.06 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 8.49 2 198 98
7. 1.07 Wilson, David NYG RB 8.87 3 199 101
8. 1.08 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 13.59 4 207 101
9. 1.09 Fleener, Coby IND TE 13.70 3 202 101
10. 1.10 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB 14.16 3 36 82
11. 1.11 Pead, Isaiah STL RB 15.69 6 206 101
12. 1.12 Hillman, Ronnie DEN RB 16.19 4 200 101
13. 2.01 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 16.21 6 203 99
14. 2.02 Hill, Stephen NYJ WR 16.78 5 209 101
15. 2.03 Quick, Brian STL WR 17.62 6 204 100
16. 2.04 Miller, Lamar MIA RB 19.10 7 208 99
17. 2.05 Randle, Rueben NYG WR 21.54 7 215 100
18. 2.06 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB 22.66 4 205 101
19. 2.07 James, LaMichael SFO RB 23.98 8 212 97
20. 2.08 Barron, Mark TBB S 24.59 9 72 82
21. 2.09 Sanu, Mohamed CIN WR 25.31 11 218 97
22. 2.10 David, Lavonte TBB LB 27.20 10 72 80
23. 2.11 Broyles, Ryan DET WR 27.50 12 220 98
24. 2.12 Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR 28.54 6 210 98
25. 3.01 Hightower, Dont'a NEP LB 29.20 13 69 80
26. 3.02 Weeden, Brandon CLE QB 30.25 6 201 100
27. 3.03 Claiborne, Morris DAL CB 31.18 7 70 80
28. 3.04 Upshaw, Courtney BAL DE 33.28 5 73 81
29. 3.05 Pierce, Bernard BAL RB 33.70 14 223 96
30. 3.06 Kendricks, Mychal PHI LB 34.56 14 71 77
31. 3.07 Green, Ladarius SDC TE 36.93 18 221 94
32. 3.08 Turbin, Robert SEA RB 37.24 13 227 99
33. 3.09 Wagner, Bobby SEA LB 37.44 14 79 73
34. 3.10 Childs, Greg MIN WR 37.44 13 225 93
35. 3.11 Givens, Chris STL WR 37.73 18 214 97
36. 3.12 Jones, Chandler NEP DE 39.58 11 75 77
37. 4.01 Ingram, Melvin SDC LB 39.74 8 72 78
38. 4.02 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 39.82 17 224 94
39. 4.03 Toon, Nick NOS WR 40.75 15 228 97
40. 4.04 Coples, Quinton NYJ DE 41.49 9 72 76
41. 4.05 Polk, Chris PHI RB 42.18 14 229 83
42. 4.06 Branch, Andre JAC DE 42.96 16 111 70
43. 4.07 Allen, Dwayne IND TE 45.55 17 219 94
44. 4.08 Rainey, Chris PIT RB 46.27 17 231 88
45. 4.09 Posey, DeVier HOU WR 47.26 23 216 78
46. 4.10 Irvin, Bruce SEA DE 47.86 17 75 69
47. 4.11 Smith, Harrison MIN S 47.95 15 76 73
48. 4.12 Adams, Joe CAR WR 48.38 18 233 79
49. 5.01 Davis, Demario NYJ LB 48.55 19 90 51
50. 5.02 McClellin, Shea CHI DE 49.16 22 84 64
51. 5.03 Perry, Nick GBP LB 49.37 12 118 54
52. 5.04 Wilson, Russell SEA QB 49.49 10 211 88
53. 5.05 Hilton, TY IND WR 49.51 17 236 81
54. 5.06 Ballard, Vick IND RB 49.76 9 235 79
55. 5.07 Gray, Cyrus KCC RB 50.10 16 240 81
56. 5.08 Osweiler, Brock DEN QB 50.23 22 217 74
57. 5.09 Cox, Fletcher PHI DT 50.72 14 95 54
58. 5.10 Gilmore, Stephon BUF CB 51.59 24 96 51
59. 5.11 Wylie, Devon KCC WR 52.26 26 93 65
60. 5.12 Poole, Tauren CAR RB 52.69 34 117 13


Griff3 going 4th to me is the largest stunner. An offense that has weapons built ready to roll and they draft Luck who at best is 5 years down the road before he can start for you. See Cam Newton. Luck and RG could be a hen a piece.

then Pead and Fleener after Kendall Wright. Wright plays 3rd fiddle behind to extreme talents of Britt and CJ with a rookie QB running the show.

Hill after Alshon and Hillman makes no sense. Both are not a sure bet to see the field any time soon. Hillman's day may never come as Fox loves to blow a first rounder on an RB.

Nick Toon 4.3 is an incredible value. Colston plays about 6 games a year not including playoffs. Lance Moore goes down just as quick. Meachum left. Brees could make
Troy Williamson relevant. I'd say 3.2 and that still value.

Last AJ Jenkins at 2.12. I know its a risky pick. Low passing output offense. But see Torrey Smith who fell last year on bad press and showed that it can be turned around. He would not fall past 2.3 on my board.


Don't make come after you, I think our cutler thread is my highest post count in a specific thread. On my phone, I will look at this again tommorrow.
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No issues with anyone who takes any combination of RGIII, Luck or Doug Martin at dyno spots 1.02 thru 1.04.

The arguments that have been made here (and other places) regarding taking one vs another all have merit to a degree and there is enough talent, opportunity and upside with each of those 3 guys that a particular fantasy owners existing & downstream team needs and their gut feel on each of them is enough to take any of them and it be a solid and defensible pick.

I suspect the days of grabbing SEA RB Robert Turbin at ADP 3.08 are numbered - he'll never last that long when the majority of Shark based dyno's start drafting in August. Kudo's if you were able to get him already in that draft spot neighborhood.

Another one sticks out to me. To use a roulette analogy, I'd put a few dollars on Ty Hilton at 5.05.

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Luck vs Griff.

In a perfect world. I'd take luck every day of the week. He is a more traditional QB. Probably will have a better longevity.

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Wash vs Colts.

Seeing the cards bi polar defense you can see the defenses effect on QB performance. Kolb started with the cards d failing. One of the leagues worst. Towards the end with Skelton the Cards d was playing top 5 performance wise. Colts D is deplorable They will need book end DE's. another LB 2 CB's a FS or Strong Saftey. Washington's D is on the rise. Solid pass rushing great passing D. Decent lb core.

Offense: Wash's offense has weapons. Has a running game and 2 solid RB's. Maybe three. could be four...it's shanny who knows. Decent O line. decent WR's

Colts have crickets. There O line is in shambles. There WR core is a guy who is 80 in football years with zero depth. a good but young TE. No running game. so lets say....

Draft wise Colts need 2 picks toward o line , a RB, 2-3 WR's 2 book end DE's , 1 LB 2 CB's 1 FS or SS. 11 picks.

Draft wise Washington is on best player availible. Adding dynamic players not plugging holes.

3 picks pan out each year Colts have an viable team in 2016. Washington has a 4 year head start on devloping there QB quicker.

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i'm still not getting the fleener love. not discounting his talent by any means. i just see so much talent and depth around his ADP at WR that i'd much rather go in that direction in a rookie draft.
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i'm still not getting the fleener love. not discounting his talent by any means. i just see so much talent and depth around his ADP at WR that i'd much rather go in that direction in a rookie draft.

People have visions of Gronk and Graham, and I don't think they'll get anything close.
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getdownmmmkay wrote:
i'm still not getting the fleener love. not discounting his talent by any means. i just see so much talent and depth around his ADP at WR that i'd much rather go in that direction in a rookie draft.

People have visions of Gronk and Graham, and I don't think they'll get anything close.

Anyone available after the top 7 or so are more of a crapshoot... Talent, but will need some breaks to be a regular contributer to your fantasy team. Fleener will contribute, but i dont know too many people who expect him to be along side graham or gronk. More like pettigrew. A starter for your team, but not elite.

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i'm still not getting the fleener love. not discounting his talent by any means. i just see so much talent and depth around his ADP at WR that i'd much rather go in that direction in a rookie draft.



When there isn't a roster-able TE available on the WW, you have to take what you can get. His value is directly related to his experience with Luck. Had Fleener gone to PIT or CLE I garauntee you wouldn't be hearing so much about him (still some hype, but more on a "J Cook" level). He's incredibly talented and someone you can start immediately, which is more than you can say about the majority of fantasy rookies that will sit around on your taxi squad for 2 or 3 seasons before you dump them.

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i'm still not getting the fleener love. not discounting his talent by any means. i just see so much talent and depth around his ADP at WR that i'd much rather go in that direction in a rookie draft.



When there isn't a roster-able TE available on the WW, you have to take what you can get. His value is directly related to his experience with Luck. Had Fleener gone to PIT or CLE I garauntee you wouldn't be hearing so much about him (still some hype, but more on a "J Cook" level). He's incredibly talented and someone you can start immediately, which is more than you can say about the majority of fantasy rookies that will sit around on your taxi squad for 2 or 3 seasons before you dump them.

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