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PostPosted: Fri 07.27.2012, 11:37 
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First-round rookie Doug Martin worked as the primary running back during the Bucs' first training camp practice.
It's only Day One, but it's confirmation that Martin is already ahead of LeGarrette Blount. We'd expect nothing less after the Bucs traded up in the draft to use the No. 31 overall pick on the versatile Boise State product. At the very least, Martin projects to earn a solid share of early-down work in addition to all passing-down duties. With an ADP in the middle of the fourth round, Martin could be one of the better value picks at running back this year.

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I hope more clarity emerges here because he's my early round wildcard. If he's going to be the bellcow I'll consider looking in another direction than RB round 2 (unless Richardson is there) then come back with Martin in round 3. Round 3 because I forsee his ADP going up if he's going to get the load.

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I really like Martin and think there's no question his talent far exceeds that of Blount.

But, do you all think he's worth the pick at 3.02? I agree that his ADP is sure to rise after a few preseason games and I just don't think there's any chance he's available at the end of round 4.

Thoughts?

Also, one thing that has me on the fence is that rookie RBs who end up turning in great years are few and far between. Could this be a case where expectations are just too high in his first year? I think long term he should be a great player.

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badgasman9 wrote:
180-220 850 ish 5tds 20 rec 150 1 td.

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Bucs were a mess. It's a new season.

I have a good feeling on Martin's fantasy success this year. Run heavy head coach, a true #1 WR added to the mix. Freeman had the mother of all sophomore jinxes but I think he'll rebound.

I think Martin gets 300 touches in his rookie season. I would say Blount could get goal line, but the dude can't hold onto the ball and I'm sure his attitude is going to sour quickly once he realizes Martin is the man.

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badgasman9 wrote:
180-220 850 ish 5tds 20 rec 150 1 td.

Bucs are a mess.



One of the better olines in the league, Vjax in FA coupled with MWilliams. Eli's EX qb coach is the new OC, should help freeman. Schiano seems to be trying to be a coach and not the players best friend.


There not SB contenders by any means , but I like what I see on offense.


IF they keep blount in a reserve role I see similiar numbers to trent.


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I think Martin is in a great situation and should see plenty of touches, but those that think he will be a great NFL RB, I'm not buying. Look at his stats in college, playing for Boise State when 90% of his games were against terrible teams. He averaged 5.6 yards for his career, but only 4.9 as a senior with a loaded supporting cast. Now he did have a lot of short TDs that will drag it down some, but honestly that scares me some. Playing for such a dominant team against a very weak schedule for the most part, his stats should be much better IMO.

But I do think he is well rounded and he will be a solid RB2 this season, with some ups and downs. Though I'd rather have him as my RB3, but that isn't going to happen as his ADP is climbing and will continue to climb as he sees more of the load. The situation is ideal, so he should be in position to produce.

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I think Martin is in a great situation and should see plenty of touches, but those that think he will be a great NFL RB, I'm not buying. Look at his stats in college, playing for Boise State when 90% of his games were against terrible teams. He averaged 5.6 yards for his career, but only 4.9 as a senior with a loaded supporting cast. Now he did have a lot of short TDs that will drag it down some, but honestly that scares me some. Playing for such a dominant team against a very weak schedule for the most part, his stats should be much better IMO.

But I do think he is well rounded and he will be a solid RB2 this season, with some ups and downs. Though I'd rather have him as my RB3, but that isn't going to happen as his ADP is climbing and will continue to climb as he sees more of the load. The situation is ideal, so he should be in position to produce.


Thats what I am thinking. If Blount hangs onto the ball and drops fumbling issues. There not going to turn the load over to the rookie. 2 back system. Clearly the giants thought they would get Martin at there draft spot. However the hype comes from the situation more so then the talent. McCoy is 80 times the back Martin is and there was a adjustment that needed to occur before he took off. My guess is Martin will have a learning curve on LBs that get to the whole 10 times faster then he is used to.

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Look at his stats in college, playing for Boise State when 90% of his games were against terrible teams



There have been numerous comparisons to Ray Rice. I looked at Utah States 2011 schedule and to me, not enough of a difference to Ray Rice's last year at Rutgers to discuss SOS wise.

Their stats in terms of yardage average per rush are comparable as well with Martin better suited for goal line at least size comparison wise. Neither guys stats led you to believe they are / were a superior receiver although Martin caught approx 2x many passes as Rice in college

Bottom line to me - I think they are very close skill set wise. Took a look at their respective Combine results:

Item......Rice .....Martin
Weight - 199 - 223
40 - 4.47 - 4.55
Shuttle - 4.20 - 4.16
Broad jump - 119" - 120"
Bench - 23 reps - 29 reps
Vertical - 31.5" - 36"

The 40 time sticks out a little but Martin was a hair quicker in the shuttle and perhaps a little more explosive given the vertical disparity.


For reference purposes, Rice had about 140 touches his rookie year, 33 of which were receptions when he was splitting time and a distant 3rd in touches with McClain and McGahee. Martin will be competing against Blount primarily for touches.

I think it's straightforward - and agree with the above, if Martin gets the touches, he's skilled enough to produce. I wonder how many receptions he's likely to produce in their offense under Schiano because that could be the difference between him being a mid-low RB2 or possibly a high end RB2 in PPR scoring.


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I'm leery of rookie RBs as I don't think there are a ton of good examples of rookie RBs producing at a high level in the NFL in the last three years. In fact the only one I find that was decent his rookie year is Knowshon (blech). I'm already sold on Trent being an immediate contributor, but I'm struggling buying into the second most talented RB in the draft. Is it just a really strong crop of rookie RBs this year? For those of you buying Martin, are you seeing this as 2008-esque with CJ and Forte?

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I think Martin is in a great situation and should see plenty of touches, but those that think he will be a great NFL RB, I'm not buying. Look at his stats in college, playing for Boise State when 90% of his games were against terrible teams. He averaged 5.6 yards for his career, but only 4.9 as a senior with a loaded supporting cast. Now he did have a lot of short TDs that will drag it down some, but honestly that scares me some. Playing for such a dominant team against a very weak schedule for the most part, his stats should be much better IMO.

But I do think he is well rounded and he will be a solid RB2 this season, with some ups and downs. Though I'd rather have him as my RB3, but that isn't going to happen as his ADP is climbing and will continue to climb as he sees more of the load. The situation is ideal, so he should be in position to produce.


Thats what I am thinking. If Blount hangs onto the ball and drops fumbling issues. There not going to turn the load over to the rookie. 2 back system. Clearly the giants thought they would get Martin at there draft spot. However the hype comes from the situation more so then the talent. McCoy is 80 times the back Martin is and there was a adjustment that needed to occur before he took off. My guess is Martin will have a learning curve on LBs that get to the whole 10 times faster then he is used to.




They already have turned the load over.


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davidgrey wrote:
I think Martin is in a great situation and should see plenty of touches, but those that think he will be a great NFL RB, I'm not buying. Look at his stats in college, playing for Boise State when 90% of his games were against terrible teams. He averaged 5.6 yards for his career, but only 4.9 as a senior with a loaded supporting cast. Now he did have a lot of short TDs that will drag it down some, but honestly that scares me some. Playing for such a dominant team against a very weak schedule for the most part, his stats should be much better IMO.

But I do think he is well rounded and he will be a solid RB2 this season, with some ups and downs. Though I'd rather have him as my RB3, but that isn't going to happen as his ADP is climbing and will continue to climb as he sees more of the load. The situation is ideal, so he should be in position to produce.


Thats what I am thinking. If Blount hangs onto the ball and drops fumbling issues. There not going to turn the load over to the rookie. 2 back system. Clearly the giants thought they would get Martin at there draft spot. However the hype comes from the situation more so then the talent. McCoy is 80 times the back Martin is and there was a adjustment that needed to occur before he took off. My guess is Martin will have a learning curve on LBs that get to the whole 10 times faster then he is used to.




They already have turned the load over.


Dam I missed week 1? and preseason?

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badgasman9 wrote:
180-220 850 ish 5tds 20 rec 150 1 td.

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If he becomes the featured running back he catches way more then 20. If he is only the 3rd down back he catches way more then 20. That projection is extremely low

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badgasman9 wrote:
180-220 850 ish 5tds 20 rec 150 1 td.

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If he becomes the featured running back he catches way more then 20. If he is only the 3rd down back he catches way more then 20. That projection is extremely low


I see Martin as a younger brother to McCoy. While Blount isn't Westy. Blounts production wasn't dismal. I for got about lumpkin so yes the rec's are low. How could I forget about lumpkin.
McCoy rookie season
2009 PHI 16 155 637
2009 PHI 16 40 308

The reason for low rec
Blount
2010 TB 13 5 14 2.8 7 0 0 1 1
2011 TB 14 15 148 9.9 35 0 6 2 1

Blounts rushing

2010 TB 13 201 1,007 5.0 53 6 38 3 2
2011 TB 14 184 781 4.2 54 5 32 3 2

For those that think they signed V Jax and everything is right as rain. V Jax is not one to go up and fight for the ball. Atleast not in SD. Freeman threw picks like mad. The WR core is dismal and I don't consider adding V Jax and great change in dirrection. Not in that offense. Freeman is the problem. A qb which lost confidence is worthles in this league.

I don't see the TBB offense taking off in any direction this year. Freeman ='s McNabb circa 2009 thus Martin ='s McCoy 2009

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First-round rookie Doug Martin worked as the primary running back during the Bucs' first training camp practice.
It's only Day One, but it's confirmation that Martin is already ahead of LeGarrette Blount. We'd expect nothing less after the Bucs traded up in the draft to use the No. 31 overall pick on the versatile Boise State product. At the very least, Martin projects to earn a solid share of early-down work in addition to all passing-down duties. With an ADP in the middle of the fourth round, Martin could be one of the better value picks at running back this year.


Doug Martin may prove to be productive in his rookie season... But he's currently being drafted in similar positions (or ahead of) guys like Fred Jackson, Ahmad Bradshaw, Michael Turner, Frank Gore, Green-Ellis, McGahee, etc...

Except for maybe Gore, I think I'd rather have any one of those guys over a rookie who doesn't have anything substantial to base an opinion off of. I'll buy in to the Richardson hype because they've reported and made it clear he'll be the workhorse/focal point of the offense in Cleveland... Too many question marks around Doug Martin to draft him where he'll be going, though (IMO).

Just my .02 cents!

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