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 Post subject: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 18:22 
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Simple. Nicks - proven player, outstanding talent, gets dinged up.
Cruz - explosive deep threat. relatively unproven.

Both belong in WR 4-10, but where exactly would you put them?


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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 18:47 
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I prefer Hakeem.

Bigger, better red zone threat, huge sticky hands.

Cruz will not put up the numbers he did last year now that there's a year's worth of film on him and he will face more defensive attention.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 19:16 
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They're about even IMO. Cruz likely more receptions, Nicks possibly more yards and td's.


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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 19:23 
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I think the playoffs showed what will happen when Cruz starts to draw coverage. Nicks is a beast and is the guy I will be owning in leagues this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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Eli loves Nicks in the red zone, but I find it doubtful that Nicks gets more yardage than Cruz. It's really a toss up since it comes down to what you fear more: Nicks getting injured or Cruz not repeating many of his long TD plays.

Personally, I favor Nicks slightly...but even more importantly, Nicks is the better value since Cruz is going first in most drafts. Considering Nicks current injury, I suspect that Cruz might manage to widen the gap even further as the preseason goes on (with big plays like the one tonight). If your draft is late enough in the month, Nicks could be a tremendous value.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 19:42 
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Yeah, all things considered I think you have to go with Nicks assuming healthy. And the point about the playoffs is a valid one imo. 28-444-4 vs 21-269-1

I'm not meaning to dismiss what Cruz did last year (it was amazing), but to expect such a display to continue is improbable. A very good WR in good vertical game should keep him in the top 10 mix, with Nicks being a few hairs above him.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 19:54 
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Pad264 wrote:
Eli loves Nicks in the red zone, but I find it doubtful that Nicks gets more yardage than Cruz. It's really a toss up since it comes down to what you fear more: Nicks getting injured or Cruz not repeating many of his long TD plays.

Personally, I favor Nicks slightly...but even more importantly, Nicks is the better value since Cruz is going first in most drafts. Considering Nicks current injury, I suspect that Cruz might manage to widen the gap even further as the preseason goes on (with big plays like the one tonight). If your draft is late enough in the month, Nicks could be a tremendous value.


I'm planning to grab 2 WRs at 35-38. And if Hakeem falls to me, I'll be thrilled with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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I'm leaning towards shying away from both. Price on Cruz is too high, and Nicks health is too suspect... but If I'm gonna take one, I'd lean towards Nicks at the more do-able price.


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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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TheChamp wrote:
I'm leaning towards shying away from both. Price on Cruz is too high, and Nicks health is too suspect... but If I'm gonna take one, I'd lean towards Nicks at the more do-able price.


I keep hearing that and I really don't get it.

He broke a bone several months ago.

All indications are he'll be ready for the opener.

But keep talking that way. The further he falls, the better value pick he becomes.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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Would you take Jones/White/Green over Nicks then?


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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 20:42 
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They are both in my 3rd tier.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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TheNataliePortmans wrote:
TheChamp wrote:
I'm leaning towards shying away from both. Price on Cruz is too high, and Nicks health is too suspect... but If I'm gonna take one, I'd lean towards Nicks at the more do-able price.


I keep hearing that and I really don't get it.

He broke a bone several months ago.

All indications are he'll be ready for the opener.

But keep talking that way. The further he falls, the better value pick he becomes.


You don't get it? He's broken his toe in 2009, 2010, and now 2012. His list of injury issues for just last year include, knee, hamstring, ankle, ribs, shoulder, and concussion. He lives on the injury report.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 21:56 
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jcalebmoore wrote:
TheNataliePortmans wrote:
TheChamp wrote:
I'm leaning towards shying away from both. Price on Cruz is too high, and Nicks health is too suspect... but If I'm gonna take one, I'd lean towards Nicks at the more do-able price.


I keep hearing that and I really don't get it.

He broke a bone several months ago.

All indications are he'll be ready for the opener.

But keep talking that way. The further he falls, the better value pick he becomes.


You don't get it? He's broken his toe in 2009, 2010, and now 2012. His list of injury issues for just last year include, knee, hamstring, ankle, ribs, shoulder, and concussion. He lives on the injury report.


And yet he's only missed a game or two per year and he's a stud when he plays.

He's also tough and will play through pain.

If you can guarantee every one you draft will play 16 games, you're a better prognosticator than I am.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
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TheNataliePortmans wrote:
jcalebmoore wrote:
TheNataliePortmans wrote:
TheChamp wrote:
I'm leaning towards shying away from both. Price on Cruz is too high, and Nicks health is too suspect... but If I'm gonna take one, I'd lean towards Nicks at the more do-able price.


I keep hearing that and I really don't get it.

He broke a bone several months ago.

All indications are he'll be ready for the opener.

But keep talking that way. The further he falls, the better value pick he becomes.


You don't get it? He's broken his toe in 2009, 2010, and now 2012. His list of injury issues for just last year include, knee, hamstring, ankle, ribs, shoulder, and concussion. He lives on the injury report.


And yet he's only missed a game or two per year and he's a stud when he plays.

He's also tough and will play through pain.

If you can guarantee every one you draft will play 16 games, you're a better prognosticator than I am.


That's not at all what I said. You said you didn't understand why his health is considered suspect. I explained why he justifiably gets the injury-prone label. If you think he continues to play in spite of injuries or that his talent is worth the risk, by all means, target him, but pretending like he hasn't had a litany of health issues just seems misguided.

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 Post subject: Re: Nicks vs. Cruz
PostPosted: Fri 08.10.2012, 22:35 
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I like nicks better

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