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 Post subject: DMC v/s Forte
PostPosted: Wed 08.22.2012, 02:38 
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12 team PPR league (1.2 points per reception).

I'm sitting in the 8th spot. I'm staring down the barrel of DMC, Forte, Brady or Brees (and I'm sure MJD and Mathews).

I know this post is about DMC and Forte, so who you taking between them?

Also, would any of you go with top QB there?

What about the MJD/Mathews mess? Would you rank either of these guys higher than DMC or Forte?


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
PostPosted: Wed 08.22.2012, 04:37 
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Forte, not close.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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McFadden, hopefully he's past the injuries. If he can stay healthy it'll be like Stafford last year (who was basically the QB version of McFadden for injuries) He could be #1 RB if he plays 16 games. Just make sure to draft a decent backup early and wait a little while on QB. Great value at QB in the later rounds, especially with the opportunities you'd have to pass up early at WR and RB with such a high bump for receptions.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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1.2 PPR is quite interesting and my be just enough to put Forte over the top but IMO, he regresses this year. He's going to be called back to protect Cutler more so than years prior and isn't the sole focal point of the offense anymore. This coupled with the fact that he's never been worked at the GL and I just don't see too much upside. As for DMC, he's all upside and will finish #1 if he plays all 16 games. He probably won't, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'll take 13 games from DMC + 3 from his handcuff over Forte, he's just that good.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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Depends on your risk tolerance level. Aggressive, higher upside move is DMC, Forte is the safer pick (less history of injury etc.). I'd roll w/ DMC but I'm an aggressive player.....


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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In games in which they played and finished last year:

McFadden: 111 carries for 610 yards, 18 receptions for 151 yards, 5 total TDs (6 games)
1 PPR: 20.68 points per game
1.2 PPR: 21.28 points per game

Forte: 198 carries for 985 yards, 52 receptions for 490 yards, 4 total TDs (11 games)
1 PPR: 20.32 points per game
1.2 PPR: 21.26 points per game

In PPR they were within 0.36 points per game of each other, and if you got 1.2 PPR they were nearly identical. Add that to the fact that Forte has played in 60 games to McFadden's 45 even though they are both going into their fifth year in the league. I'm okay giving up 0.36 points per game to get a guy with a much healthier track record.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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scottdills wrote:
In games in which they played and finished last year:

McFadden: 111 carries for 610 yards, 18 receptions for 151 yards, 5 total TDs (6 games)
1 PPR: 20.68 points per game
1.2 PPR: 21.28 points per game

Forte: 198 carries for 985 yards, 52 receptions for 490 yards, 4 total TDs (11 games)
1 PPR: 20.32 points per game
1.2 PPR: 21.26 points per game

In PPR they were within 0.36 points per game of each other, and if you got 1.2 PPR they were nearly identical. Add that to the fact that Forte has played in 60 games to McFadden's 45 even though they are both going into their fifth year in the league. I'm okay giving up 0.36 points per game to get a guy with a much healthier track record.


This is exactly why I have Forte at 5 and McFadden at 6 (RB, PPR).

The only edge DMC has on Forte is speed. That's it. And speed isn't everything at the RB position. Many of you are too young to remember Walter Payton. He didn't have game-breaking speed. But he was the finest halfback of his generation and one of the best of any generation.

Let's take a look at Forte vs. McFadden. We will include only games started and eliminate the games each suffered season-ending injuries in.

Forte: on pace for 2145 total yards; 20.5 ppg. (11 games)

McFadden: on pace for 2029 total yards; 21.2 ppg (6 games)

The scoring difference was minimal and can be attributed to TDs alone. As everyone knows, TDs come and go, and are hard to predict.

McFadden is the flashier player; Forte is more productive and more reliable.

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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Interesting how Michael Bush affects both of these players this year.

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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scottdills wrote:
Forte, not close.

I agree..forte.The intra divisional defenses he runs against are very weak.Minn-GB-Det.Thats 6 games of over 100yds. AND 6 fantasy games you can count on him producing.

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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Here's the more important question: who are you going to draft when both Forte and McFadden are gone when you are up? Because that is highly likely...

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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Forte and it's not close is a stretch. It depends on what you want. Forte is the safer pick but McFadden has the ability to be the #1 FFL back this year. I don't see that with Forte. So do you want safer pick in round 1, or higher ceiling? I'll take run DMC.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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ATL Souljah Boy wrote:
Forte and it's not close is a stretch. It depends on what you want. Forte is the safer pick but McFadden has the ability to be the #1 FFL back this year. I don't see that with Forte. So do you want safer pick in round 1, or higher ceiling? I'll take run DMC.


Why does McFadden have a higher ceiling? People say he can be the #1 back but he hasn't proven that at all. Even last year his PPG wouldn't have cracked the Top-3.

Forte has been just as productive if not more so during their respective careers.

And Forte has missed, what, 5 games in his career to McFadden's 19?

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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NorthernKnight wrote:
scottdills wrote:
Forte, not close.

I agree..forte.The intra divisional defenses he runs against are very weak.Minn-GB-Det.Thats 6 games of over 100yds. AND 6 fantasy games you can count on him producing.



That would be 5 games. Everyone plays a division opponent week 17.

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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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ATL Souljah Boy wrote:
Forte and it's not close is a stretch. It depends on what you want. Forte is the safer pick but McFadden has the ability to be the #1 FFL back this year. I don't see that with Forte. So do you want safer pick in round 1, or higher ceiling? I'll take run DMC.


When has he shown the ability to be a #1 fantasy RB? Last year when he put up nearly identical per game fantasy points as Matt Forte? 2010 when he scored less than half a point per game more than 2011 yet was still nearly four full points per game behind someone like Arian Foster? I don't for one second buy the argument that he could be the top fantasy RB.


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 Post subject: Re: DMC v/s Forte
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TheNataliePortmans wrote:
The only edge DMC has on Forte is speed.


Incorrect.


DMC can do goal-line work.
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Rushes inside the 10 yard line.

2010 stats:
DMC had 9 attempts for 4 TDs.
Forte had 20 attempts for 2 TDs.

2011:
DMC 8 attempts for 3 TDs.
Forte 12 attempts for 1 TD.



Not to mention, I think you'll find a lot more people that will agree with me if I make the statement that Darren McFadden is a lot more dangerous pass-catcher in space. He's better at cutting.


If you don't agree, the stats do:
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Yards after Catch:
DMC:  10.8
Forte:  8.3


And, IMO, Carson Palmer seems to be latching onto DMC as a pass catcher, so I like his PPR trending better.


Any competent fantasy owner knows you draft for the future and not the past. The past is only a trend indicator. You have to take into account team changes, like the introduction of a competent QB (at last) in OAK.

DMC vs Forte is 100% a question of health.


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