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PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 10:34 
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If you draft Charles I'd imagine you also go with Hillis in your draft, well that is at least the approach i took. Is it wise to start them both week 1 assuming Hillis gets all the TDs while Charles racks up the total yards? Kevin Smith probably has a better match up week one compared to Hillis so i am probably sticking with him but as the season goes on could the trend of "handcuffing" both backs in your starting lineup be a more rewarding decision rather then a risky one?

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:08 
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As the season goes on and we get a better idea of whether the Chiefs offense is at all useful and what the role of each guy is, it may be a reasonable plan to start them both once in a while.

I would definitely avoid it in the first week, though, especially against a Falcons team that could come out hot and force KC away from the running game early.

Though, I wouldn't be too excited about Smith, either. If those are the only three backs you've got, it's time to start working the phones for a trade partner.

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:09 
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In the exact same boat.

I am only going to start Charles and watch Week 1 to see if they are truly going to run it 30+ times as a team.

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:14 
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hard 10 wrote:
As the season goes on and we get a better idea of whether the Chiefs offense is at all useful and what the role of each guy is, it may be a reasonable plan to start them both once in a while.

I would definitely avoid it in the first week, though, especially against a Falcons team that could come out hot and force KC away from the running game early.

Though, I wouldn't be too excited about Smith, either. If those are the only three backs you've got, it's time to start working the phones for a trade partner.


He has a really good team, can't expect every position to be stacked. I see nothing wrong with Smith as a flex when healthy, he will put up points. He also has Mike Wallace on the bench so still has a great player to plug in if he does get hurt. Of course, nothing wrong with upgrading your team, but he doesn't have much to worry about.


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
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One of many rules in fantasy football, never put all your eggs in one basket. That means don't, if possible, draft two players from the same team no matter what position they play except to hand cuff one of those players. Don't play them at the same time. If its risky,don't do it unless you have absolutely no other options.


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:18 
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I'm thinking a Charles/T.Jones type split of the workload where both can be useful


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:20 
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Yea i hear you with putting your eggs in one basket, ill have to play it all by the match ups each week, KC is def going to be an interesting team to look out for this year but also they could be a big bust (again) but that all still remains to be seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
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Vukobrat wrote:
One of many rules in fantasy football, never put all your eggs in one basket. That means don't, if possible, draft two players from the same team no matter what position they play except to hand cuff one of those players. Don't play them at the same time. If its risky,don't do it unless you have absolutely no other options.


yeah, don't listen to this...

i would say handcuffing is more worthless than having guys from the same team...only handcuff when the backup player is actually worth something in his own right (Tate)....

draft the best player and let everything else take care of itself...


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:36 
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jec40 wrote:
Vukobrat wrote:
One of many rules in fantasy football, never put all your eggs in one basket. That means don't, if possible, draft two players from the same team no matter what position they play except to hand cuff one of those players. Don't play them at the same time. If its risky,don't do it unless you have absolutely no other options.


yeah, don't listen to this...

i would say handcuffing is more worthless than having guys from the same team...only handcuff when the backup player is actually worth something in his own right (Tate)....

draft the best player and let everything else take care of itself...


Exactly. To pass up on a player just because you have someone from that team is almost as bad as setting out to "double dip."

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:45 
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Yea either way i like to check out everyones input but i mean i have options either way, if Hillis comes out hot and is consistent its going to be something to consider at some point. I got him in the 6th round in a 12 team league as of now i would say hes my 4th back. But with Charles being injury prone that could change if Charles ends up getting hurt again. Its a PPR league so as i get a better feel of my team im going to try to stick with WR in the flex but starting Hillis is going to always be an option even if i have Charles, yea last year was disappointing for him but I would imagine he bounces back this year. "new face in a new place"

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 11:52 
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bradburyesqu wrote:
jec40 wrote:
Vukobrat wrote:
One of many rules in fantasy football, never put all your eggs in one basket. That means don't, if possible, draft two players from the same team no matter what position they play except to hand cuff one of those players. Don't play them at the same time. If its risky,don't do it unless you have absolutely no other options.


yeah, don't listen to this...

i would say handcuffing is more worthless than having guys from the same team...only handcuff when the backup player is actually worth something in his own right (Tate)....

draft the best player and let everything else take care of itself...


Exactly. To pass up on a player just because you have someone from that team is almost as bad as setting out to "double dip."


x2, get the best value you can regardless of the team. You can always test the trade market too later if you want to split it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 12:22 
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Like mentioned above, I think they are both flex worty starters out of the gate and as things emerge and their roles emerge, I think one of them will really emerge as a top rb 2 type.

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 14:11 
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I took Hillis in 9th ppr b/c of the Daboll factor. I am a firm believer in notion that Hillis can play at a high level given the situation. I plan to play him week 1 but I am a little reluctant. I want to see how the carries are split etc. I may put Titus Young into the flex and take a wait n see approach w/Hillis.

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 Post subject: Re: Charles Vs. Hillis
PostPosted: Tue 09.04.2012, 14:35 
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I think Charles will have a very good year, at least 1200 rushing and 200-300 in the air, that's his floor imo...he looked good in preaseason and I think the chiefs know how talented he is, he will def lose goal Li.e touches so I'm not expecting big td #s. I think hillis getting 10-15 touches is good for Charles so he can stay healthy


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i believe in both of these 2, but i'm with the majority here. wait and see before plugging both into the lineup.

hillis is vastly undervalued right now, and well worth a selection where he's going.


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