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Who is your MVP?
Mike Trout 20%  20%  [ 4 ]
Miguel Cabrera 75%  75%  [ 15 ]
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2 clear favorites with a few more you can make a legit case for.

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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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I think it's Cabrera, no doubt.

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Mike Trout deserves it. He's a real baseball player. Cabrera is just a ball crusher. I'm sure Cabrera will get it though because since 1998, all people have cared about are home runs. Nothing's changed.


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I can't help feeling there will be some writers who won't vote for a rookie as MVP. I hope I am wrong but...

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NCAAguru wrote:
Mike Trout deserves it. He's a real baseball player. Cabrera is just a ball crusher. I'm sure Cabrera will get it though because since 1998, all people have cared about are home runs. Nothing's changed.

Cabrera has a better batting average (Although they are close), more HR/at bat, more RBI/at bat, higher SLG%, higher OPS, etc.

Why does Trout deserve it?

I'm legitimately asking, not trying to be a-hole. The Twins have been so bad this summer I have paid very little attention to baseball. I've never watched Trout play.

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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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Should be Trout, but Cabrera will win it. It's tough to argue against the triple crown (1 HR behind Hamilton, I think he passes him), but defense matters, and Trout's a fantastic defensive CF.

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MN_HockeyGuy wrote:
NCAAguru wrote:
Mike Trout deserves it. He's a real baseball player. Cabrera is just a ball crusher. I'm sure Cabrera will get it though because since 1998, all people have cared about are home runs. Nothing's changed.

Cabrera has a better batting average (Although they are close), more HR/at bat, more RBI/at bat, higher SLG%, higher OPS, etc.

Why does Trout deserve it?

I'm legitimately asking, not trying to be a-hole. The Twins have been so bad this summer I have paid very little attention to baseball. I've never watched Trout play.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdw3h322Yg&t=1m42s

I'd provide the little YouTube box, but this will skip right to his defensive hilights. He hasn't just made one home run saving catch, he makes like one per week. It's ridiculous. He's like Joe DiMaggio/Willie Mays reincarnated. You can't really value that statistically; most stats are weighed at the plate.

And that's not to say he's weak at the plate. He's very strong, infact he has as many HR's as Prince Fielder. Sure he has less RBI's but I really just accredit that to him not having as many HR's as Miguel. This isn't a competition about who has more pop in his bat, obviously that goes to Miguel. It's about who is the most valuable player to his team. Having less home runs doesn't make him less valuable in my mind, it just makes him different. He makes up for it in so many different ways; defensively and on the basepaths. Additionally if you look at who has the most runs in the MLB, it's Trout. He gets on base. He gets into scoring position. He touches home. You can't really ask for much more out of a player offensively, I think if you were to ask any GM in the league that's exactly what they want out of any player who steps up to the plate. And what's most impressive as stated earlier is he leads the runs scored category by a mile with LESS HR'S than the big hitters. Hitting a HR guarantees you touch the plate. Trout touches home plate more, with less AB's and less HR's than Miguel.

So to me, it's Trout. He's bar none the best CF defensively, add in his AVG and OBP which are tops in the league, the fact that he can hit a really good amount of HR's, his baserunning abilities (he leads the MLB in stolen bags) and you have a very special, very talented "all around" baseball player. I can't even think of the last player who could do EVERYTHING...and everything really good. Jim Edmonds comes to mind?? But there are very few players likewise. Meanwhile for Cabrera's sake, there's plenty of first basemen/DH who walk up to the plate and crush balls. I know which player I would want to build my team around if I were a GM.


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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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NCAAguru wrote:
MN_HockeyGuy wrote:
NCAAguru wrote:
Mike Trout deserves it. He's a real baseball player. Cabrera is just a ball crusher. I'm sure Cabrera will get it though because since 1998, all people have cared about are home runs. Nothing's changed.

Cabrera has a better batting average (Although they are close), more HR/at bat, more RBI/at bat, higher SLG%, higher OPS, etc.

Why does Trout deserve it?

I'm legitimately asking, not trying to be a-hole. The Twins have been so bad this summer I have paid very little attention to baseball. I've never watched Trout play.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdw3h322Yg&t=1m42s

I'd provide the little YouTube box, but this will skip right to his defensive hilights. He hasn't just made one home run saving catch, he makes like one per week. It's ridiculous. He's like Joe DiMaggio/Willie Mays reincarnated. You can't really value that statistically; most stats are weighed at the plate.

And that's not to say he's weak at the plate. He's very strong, infact he has as many HR's as Prince Fielder. Sure he has less RBI's but I really just accredit that to him not having as many HR's as Miguel. This isn't a competition about who has more pop in his bat, obviously that goes to Miguel. It's about who is the most valuable player to his team. Having less home runs doesn't make him less valuable in my mind, it just makes him different. He makes up for it in so many different ways; defensively and on the basepaths. Additionally if you look at who has the most runs in the MLB, it's Trout. He gets on base. He gets into scoring position. He touches home. You can't really ask for much more out of a player offensively, I think if you were to ask any GM in the league that's exactly what they want out of any player who steps up to the plate. And what's most impressive as stated earlier is he leads the runs scored category by a mile with LESS HR'S than the big hitters. Hitting a HR guarantees you touch the plate. Trout touches home plate more, with less AB's and less HR's than Miguel.

So to me, it's Trout. He's bar none the best CF defensively, add in his AVG and OBP which are tops in the league, the fact that he can hit a really good amount of HR's, his baserunning abilities (he leads the MLB in stolen bags) and you have a very special, very talented "all around" baseball player. I can't even think of the last player who could do EVERYTHING...and everything really good. Jim Edmonds comes to mind?? But there are very few players likewise. Meanwhile for Cabrera's sake, there's plenty of first basemen/DH who walk up to the plate and crush balls. I know which player I would want to build my team around if I were a GM.

You obviously haven't watched much of Cabrera this year. He plays 3rd not 1st/DH. He plays it well also. He has the 6th highest fielding percentage of 3rd basemen in both leagues.
Without Trout, the Angels are likely to finish third in their division just as they have with him. Cabrera has carried the Tigers all year and without him there is no chance they make the playoffs.

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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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You obviously haven't watched much of Cabrera this year. He plays 3rd not 1st/DH. He plays it well also. He has the 6th highest fielding percentage of 3rd basemen in both leagues.
Without Trout, the Angels are likely to finish third in their division just as they have with him. Cabrera has carried the Tigers all year and without him there is no chance they make the playoffs.


Ya you're right, clearly hasn't EVER entered the lineup at the DH spot or at first. Silly me.

If Cabrera died tomorrow, you could just sign Adrian Beltre, who IMO is even better defensively and actually a third baseman. If Trout died tomorrow you'd be effed. There isn't another player like him.

Here's a nice article if you care to read it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees--miguel-cabrera-s-triple-crown-push-overshadowing-mike-trout-s-mvp-season.html;_ylt=AooRDVHv5W2TUTWvYZQzHHGFCLcF


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NCAAguru wrote:
scootm44 wrote:
You obviously haven't watched much of Cabrera this year. He plays 3rd not 1st/DH. He plays it well also. He has the 6th highest fielding percentage of 3rd basemen in both leagues.
Without Trout, the Angels are likely to finish third in their division just as they have with him. Cabrera has carried the Tigers all year and without him there is no chance they make the playoffs.


Ya you're right, clearly hasn't EVER entered the lineup at the DH spot or at first. Silly me.

If Cabrera died tomorrow, you could just sign Adrian Beltre, who IMO is even better defensively and actually a third baseman. If Trout died tomorrow you'd be effed. There isn't another player like him.

Here's a nice article if you care to read it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees--miguel-cabrera-s-triple-crown-push-overshadowing-mike-trout-s-mvp-season.html;_ylt=AooRDVHv5W2TUTWvYZQzHHGFCLcF

Cabrera played 7 games at DH this year and 2 partial games at 1B. Beltre played 22 at DH. Silly you.

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There is no right or wrong answer this year.

They should give one of them the NL MVP award.

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I went Cabrera

He put the Tigers on is back
He got better as the season progressed, if that was possible

Trout has had, one helluva of a year, but the Triple Crown still means something


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the guy who did something i thought id never see. cabrera


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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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For what it's worth, my initial vote was for Cabrera, and it hasn't changed. Accomplishing a feat that hasn't happened in 45 years, and leading his team to the playoffs wins it for me.

Still, Trout's overall year may be one of the best we've seen.


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 Post subject: Re: AL: Who's Your MVP?
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Cabrera was the definition of what MVP is this year. I think it's an easier decision than most make it out to be.

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