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According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, the 49ers have "expressed to others" that an Alex Smith trade is "effectively complete."
Any potential deal cannot be finalized until the new league year begins on March 12. La Canfora does not know the acquiring team, but lists the Chiefs and Jaguars as "two teams that make sense." Both NFL.com and Yahoo Sports have reported in the past three days that the Chiefs were Smith's most dogged pursuer. Although his arm limitations were as evident as ever last season, Smith would be an acceptable stop-gap option in Andy Reid's West Coast offense. Smith isn't expected to fetch more than a mid-round pick.

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And JAX came out and said it wasn't them.


So KC?

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I would assume KC. They make the most sense; especially when reports earlier were saying that they were trying to pursue him. They could be going after Foles too, though. If it's not them I'd guess it's Cleveland or Arizona.


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With rumors of Cassel being released floating around, it's a good possibility it is KC
If it happens I'm not thrilled, but after the QB play of the past 2 seasons, it's a step...baby step in the right direction

Or it's the 49's, "Eagling" the Chiefs and getting a draft pick out of a QB, who they coached up to look servicable


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Cleveland is disputing it. So still looking like it's KC with Arizona being an outside shot.


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With rumors of Cassel being released floating around, it's a good possibility it is KC
If it happens I'm not thrilled, but after the QB play of the past 2 seasons, it's a step...baby step in the right direction

As long as KC didn't spend higher than a 3rd.... I'm happy for them.

They can wait for a stronger QB year. Draft Joeckel in the 1st round and Alex Smith will have all the protection he needs. KC will have one of the best OLines in the league.


If they paid a 2nd.... they way overpaid. Particularly when, despite what Harbaugh says, there's no way Alex Smith is on the roster past training camp at $7 million. The sad part is, they'd probably hold him hostage until then if no team gave him picks (and eat his $1 million bonus).


They're probably going to just hold their 2nd, and see if anyone falls to #33. If Matt Barkley winds up there.... I could see Reid drafting a project.


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i am guessing the jets are not involved, i doubt idzik would come out and first thing he does is move draft picks for an aging vet

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jnadke wrote:
10ball wrote:
With rumors of Cassel being released floating around, it's a good possibility it is KC
If it happens I'm not thrilled, but after the QB play of the past 2 seasons, it's a step...baby step in the right direction

As long as KC didn't spend higher than a 3rd.... I'm happy for them.

They can wait for a stronger QB year. Draft Joeckel in the 1st round and Alex Smith will have all the protection he needs. KC will have one of the best OLines in the league.


If they paid a 2nd.... they way overpaid. Particularly when, despite what Harbaugh says, there's no way Alex Smith is on the roster past training camp at $7 million. The sad part is, they'd probably hold him hostage until then if no team gave him picks (and eat his $1 million bonus).

I would think a 3rd round pick would be overpaying. He's Alex Smith, he doesn't have any upside; he's just a game manager.


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I would think a 3rd round pick would be overpaying. He's Alex Smith, he doesn't have any upside; he's just a game manager.

On a normal year, you'd be right. But given the market situation, it's what they need to do.

Hopefully it's just a 4th. Then they can spend the 2nd/3rd on Barkley/Glennon, or wait another year, Dorsey will be a "best available player" guy.


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Dorsey will be a "best available player" guy


was thinking about this earlier

this is all mis-information used by every coach and GM

if they didn't say this, then everybody would know what their plans are, and rivals would cut in front of them, or use every channel to muddle their decisions

these guys are not going to show their hand before the action

they all draft for need

all of them

Here's an example. The entire draft of the Rams last year was based on need.

1 - Michael Brockers, DT, Louisiana State (6-6, 322);
2 - Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State (6-4, 220);
2 - Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama (5-10, 193);
2 - Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati (5-10, 197);
3 - Trumaine Johnson, DB, Montana (6-2, 204);
4 - Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest (5-11, 198);
5 - Rokevious Watkins, OG, South Carolina (6-4, 338);
6 - Greg Zuerlein, K, Missouri Western (6-0, 187);
7 - Aaron Brown, OLB, Hawaii (6-0, 237);
7 - Daryl Richardson, RB, Abilene Christian (5-10, 192)

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Les Snead, the Rams GM, expressed the "best player" canon in the most Zen way possible; "you're going to be better off drafting a player instead of a position."


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Speaking of patterns, when speaking of drafts I don’t know that you’re ever going to be able to figure out a pattern with us. I think it’s going to be, what we need is the best available player


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 Post subject: Re: Alex Smith Trade?
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Yay.
The new Bono!
Or Grbac!

Or Cassell!

Or Kreig!

Or Daberg!

Yay mediocrity!


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bjoemama2 wrote:
they all draft for need

all of them

Here's an example. The entire draft of the Rams last year was based on need.

1 - Michael Brockers, DT, Louisiana State (6-6, 322);
2 - Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State (6-4, 220);
2 - Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama (5-10, 193);
2 - Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati (5-10, 197);
3 - Trumaine Johnson, DB, Montana (6-2, 204);
4 - Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest (5-11, 198);
5 - Rokevious Watkins, OG, South Carolina (6-4, 338);
6 - Greg Zuerlein, K, Missouri Western (6-0, 187);
7 - Aaron Brown, OLB, Hawaii (6-0, 237);
7 - Daryl Richardson, RB, Abilene Christian (5-10, 192)


You completely misunderstand the "best available player" mantra.

You still draft on need, but you don't "reach" for a guy who doesn't evaluate well.


Last year, the Rams needed a 2nd CB more than a DT. Yet they didn't reach for Kirkpatrick. They held firm for Janoris Jenkins. They probably would've jettisoned Brockers if Gilmore had fallen to them.


But yes, it is a bit of double-speak. Some teams stick to it better than others.


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jnadke wrote:
10ball wrote:
With rumors of Cassel being released floating around, it's a good possibility it is KC
If it happens I'm not thrilled, but after the QB play of the past 2 seasons, it's a step...baby step in the right direction

As long as KC didn't spend higher than a 3rd.... I'm happy for them.

They can wait for a stronger QB year. Draft Joeckel in the 1st round and Alex Smith will have all the protection he needs. KC will have one of the best OLines in the league.


If they paid a 2nd.... they way overpaid. Particularly when, despite what Harbaugh says, there's no way Alex Smith is on the roster past training camp at $7 million. The sad part is, they'd probably hold him hostage until then if no team gave him picks (and eat his $1 million bonus).


They're probably going to just hold their 2nd, and see if anyone falls to #33. If Matt Barkley winds up there.... I could see Reid drafting a project.



smith's salary is guarenteed as of april 1 st. If the 49ers are getting picks for him, I have a feeling they are moving up in the draft this year.


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bjoemama2 wrote:
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Dorsey will be a "best available player" guy


was thinking about this earlier

this is all mis-information used by every coach and GM

if they didn't say this, then everybody would know what their plans are, and rivals would cut in front of them, or use every channel to muddle their decisions

these guys are not going to show their hand before the action

they all draft for need

all of them

Here's an example. The entire draft of the Rams last year was based on need.

1 - Michael Brockers, DT, Louisiana State (6-6, 322);
2 - Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State (6-4, 220);
2 - Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama (5-10, 193);
2 - Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati (5-10, 197);
3 - Trumaine Johnson, DB, Montana (6-2, 204);
4 - Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest (5-11, 198);
5 - Rokevious Watkins, OG, South Carolina (6-4, 338);
6 - Greg Zuerlein, K, Missouri Western (6-0, 187);
7 - Aaron Brown, OLB, Hawaii (6-0, 237);
7 - Daryl Richardson, RB, Abilene Christian (5-10, 192)

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Les Snead, the Rams GM, expressed the "best player" canon in the most Zen way possible; "you're going to be better off drafting a player instead of a position."


Quote:
Speaking of patterns, when speaking of drafts I don’t know that you’re ever going to be able to figure out a pattern with us. I think it’s going to be, what we need is the best available player



Im not disagreeing with you here, but the rams are a bad example.


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You completely misunderstand the "best available player" mantra.

You still draft on need, but you don't "reach" for a guy who doesn't evaluate well.


Last year, the Rams needed a 2nd CB more than a DT. Yet they didn't reach for Kirkpatrick. They held firm for Janoris Jenkins. They probably would've jettisoned Brockers if Gilmore had fallen to them.


But yes, it is a bit of double-speak. Some teams stick to it better than others.


a) Dont tell me what i understand.

b) They could have had claiborne (cb), but traded down, so this tells us they didn't much care for having a 2nd CB over a DT, not to mention, if they would have picked kirkpatrick, it wouldn't have been a stretch, yet they passed on him too. Kirkpatrick gets picked three picks later, while the rams pick the DT that you say they valued less than the cb's on the board, and which, may i add, has been a need since 2001. I'll tell you one more thing. Jenkins is not the pot of gold everybody thinks he is. It was a pick based on need. And it was a gamble, which is why they hedged it with Trumaine Johnson (cb) in the 3rd.

c) It is more than a "bit of double-speak". It's outright bullsh1t.


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