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Why are USC quarterbacks such bad NFL quarterbacks?
Spoiled Brat Theory 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Weather Theory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Great Coaches Theory 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Uber-talent theory 47%  47%  [ 8 ]
Combination of 2 or 3 (explain in thread) 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
Combination of all 4 (explain in thread) 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Other (explain in thread) 24%  24%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Mon 05.06.2013, 12:44 
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The Spoiled Brat Theory
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It goes like this. Recent USC quarterbacks in particular grow up with a silver football in their mouth. Not all. But many. They grow up pampered both at home and in their sport. They only time they experience adversity is when the CD player on their dad's BMW doesn't work.

This is part stereotype, part unfair but also part accurate, according to several NFL scouts. "The feeling is that some of them are coddled," said the scout, "and mentally soft."

Then when they get to the toughest of sports leagues, their minds crumble under the weight. At least, that's the theory.


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"The sheer number of USC quarterbacks who have come to the NFL and struggled is alarming," said Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst who also writes for CBSSports.com. "Because many of these quarterbacks possessed the physical traits to be successful, some scouts believe the warm weather and big man on campus mentality makes Southern Cal passers less prepared for the rigors of the NFL."

The warm weather. This is the most believed theory by scouts. It contributes to making the quarterbacks soft, the theory goes. There are holes in this theory, of course, especially since Troy Aikman played in the same weather at UCLA but still made it to the NFL Hall of Fame.

However, remember the list of schools that produced quarterbacks that appeared in multiple Super Bowls, maybe the toughest thing to do in sports -- the University of Delaware, California, Maryland, UCLA, Alabama, Notre Dame, BYU, Stanford, Purdue, and Washington State. Five of those schools -- Delaware, Maryland, Notre Dame, BYU, and Purdue -- play in cold weather. Some brutally so. Washington State, located in Pullman, has averages in December of 24 degrees for a low and almost eight inches of snow.

Not scientific but also far from insignificant.


The Great Coaches Theory
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Two words: Norm Chow. He was an assistant at USC and throughout his college career helped to develop an army of quarterbacks, including Steve Young. He's one of the brightest offensive minds in college football history. At USC, over the decades, the Trojan coaching staff has been loaded with assistants and head coaches like Chow.

"USC has had so much coaching talent it's become a system school," said one NFL scout. "Then they have to leave that system."


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This is one of the most palpable theories. While many college quarterbacks were surrounded with great talent throughout history, USC took that to a level surpassed by few. Rob Johnson played with Keyshawn Johnson and Tony Boselli. Leinart played with Reggie Bush. Every USC quarterback seems to have had a fast 6-foot-8 wide receiver and elite running back. USC quarterbacks played with Heisman winners Charles White and Marcus Allen.

The belief is that Trojan quarterbacks are surrounded by so many great players, and many times are drafted by the worst NFL teams, they don't know how to elevate the players around them because in college they were always the ones being elevated.

Now comes another USC quarterback to the NFL. Barkley went in the fourth round but the expectations aren't so lessened. People will be watching not just to see if he can replace Vick, but witness if he can break a nasty curse.


Article starts with all the obvious evidence that USC QBs suck in the NFL, which I skipped to get to the real question: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2220 ... -best-pros


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I voted for Coincidence Theory


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I just think they tend to be overrated coming out of college. Their actual talent level doesn't match the media hype behind them. Every single time, some team buys in and simple overdrafts them.

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und2006 wrote:
I just think they tend to be overrated coming out of college. Their actual talent level doesn't match the media hype behind them. Every single time, some team buys in and simple overdrafts them.


except this year


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und2006 wrote:
I just think they tend to be overrated coming out of college. Their actual talent level doesn't match the media hype behind them. Every single time, some team buys in and simple overdrafts them.


except this year


That's kind of the point, this year it seems the scouts and teams have wizened up and didn't overdraft the USC QB, so I guess the question is why were they overrated in the past?


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I'd say talent has the biggest to do with it, but the spoiled sounding theory did remind me of Todd Marinovich.

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Over-rated IMO

The same could be said for Notre Dame QB's in the last 25 years though...in no particular order:

Tony Rice
Rick Mirer
Steve Buerlein
Ron Powlus
Brady Quinn
Jimmy Claussen

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Baron_Fel wrote:
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und2006 wrote:
I just think they tend to be overrated coming out of college. Their actual talent level doesn't match the media hype behind them. Every single time, some team buys in and simple overdrafts them.


except this year


That's kind of the point, this year it seems the scouts and teams have wizened up and didn't overdraft the USC QB, so I guess the question is why were they overrated in the past?


Rob Johnson was a 4th rounder
Booty a 5th
Peete a 6th

Marinovich, Sanchez, Palmer and Leinart were 1st. So, 50/50 over the last 30 years.

It all depends on the player. Remember, nobody wanted a "Tedford" QB because they would all fail.

Coincidence Theory. Nothing more.


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Having watched every USC Qb since the early 70's , I would say it's mostly the pedestal that they ( fans and media) put these guys on, add in the fact they play in great weather on prime time against inferior opponents ( for years the Pac 12, 14, 16 was Usc/Ucla playing for the title and the then the rest, changed now, the Pac-12,14,16 is becoming a more balanced conference, they aren't held to the same scrutiny that ND Qb's are....would like to see one break out and become something..also Aikman was at OU for two years before playing in the good weather...not a good comparison


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endzoneview wrote:

Coincidence Theory. Nothing more.



Thank you


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Having watched every USC Qb since the early 70's , I would say it's mostly the pedestal that they ( fans and media) put these guys on, add in the fact they play in great weather on prime time against inferior opponents ( for years the Pac 12, 14, 16 was Usc/Ucla playing for the title and the then the rest, changed now, the Pac-12,14,16 is becoming a more balanced conference, they aren't held to the same scrutiny that ND Qb's are....would like to see one break out and become something..also Aikman was at OU for two years before playing in the good weather...not a good comparison


good point


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except for the weather theory i think all of the above and more. Overrated usually because they come from a powerhouse high school usually loaded with players. All there QBs come from the same rich Southern California area( at least the QBs i've seen lately...Sanchez, Leinert, Matt Barkley, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassell and so on.) The only one of those guys actually thought had a shot to be decent was Palmer...he turned out to be so/so. You can look up southern california Qbs and you'll notice the same story...all hype and no play.


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endzoneview wrote:
Baron_Fel wrote:
endzoneview wrote:
und2006 wrote:
I just think they tend to be overrated coming out of college. Their actual talent level doesn't match the media hype behind them. Every single time, some team buys in and simple overdrafts them.


except this year


That's kind of the point, this year it seems the scouts and teams have wizened up and didn't overdraft the USC QB, so I guess the question is why were they overrated in the past?


Rob Johnson was a 4th rounder
Booty a 5th
Peete a 6th

Marinovich, Sanchez, Palmer and Leinart were 1st. So, 50/50 over the last 30 years.

It all depends on the player. Remember, nobody wanted a "Tedford" QB because they would all fail.

Coincidence Theory. Nothing more.

USC has had a lot of QB's drafted. And a lot have not made great pros. But that alone doesn't convince me. Most QB's don't make great pros.

Here are the LSU QB's:
209 2007 1 1 OAK JaMarcus Russell
210 1973 1 2 BAL Bert Jones
211 1948 1 6 DET Y.A. Tittle
212 1960 2 15 DET Warren Rabb
213 1990 3 59 NWE Tom Hodson
214 2002 4 117 NWE Rohan Davey
215 1965 10 139 CLE Pat Screen
216 1971 7 167 CHI Buddy Lee
217 2001 6 172 SEA Josh Booty
218 1940 20 187 CHI Young Bussey
219 1962 26 206 BOS Jimmy Field
220 2008 7 209 GNB Matt Flynn
221 1980 8 214 MIA David Woodley
222 2004 7 225 DEN Matt Mauck
223 1986 10 274 MIA Jeff Wickersham

Here are the USC QB's:
311 1964 1 2 KAN Pete Beathard
312 1964 1 5 DET Pete Beathard
313 2009 1 5 NYJ Mark Sanchez
314 1945 1 8 WAS Jim Hardy
315 2006 1 10 ARI Matt Leinart
316 1953 2 24 RAM Rudy Bukich
317 1991 1 24 RAI Todd Marinovich
318 1995 4 99 JAX Rob Johnson
319 1980 4 109 CLE Paul McDonald
320 1978 5 131 CIN Rob Hertel
321 1963 10 136 PIT Bill Nelsen
322 2008 5 137 MIN John David Booty
323 1977 6 140 CHI Vince Evans
324 1989 6 141 DET Rodney Peete
325 1975 7 176 RAM Pat Haden
326 1970 8 201 STL Mike Holmgren
327 1973 8 205 OAK Mike Rae
328 2005 7 230 NWE Matt Cassel
329 1996 7 240 GNB Kyle Wachholtz
330 1991 10 260 TAM Pat O'Hara
331 1962 34 268 BUF Ben Charles
332 1965 20 270 PIT Craig Fertig

I'm not accepting the premise that USC QB success in the NFL is statistically different from comparable draft picks from other schools. The NFL churns thru QB's.

And if the phenomenon is real, then the most likely explanation is that a QB on a superior college team may have fatal flaws that are covered by the rest of the team. Heck I could have handed off to Reggie Bush. Jamarcus looked good winning the BCS championship, but the defense was not bad either. I thought Sam Bradford looked GREAT in college. But maybe Oklahoma was a good team ... maybe DeMarco Murray, Jermaine Gresham, and Ryan Broyles helped a little.


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