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Well, not going to get into any of that malarkey - Both two guys i know can discuss their own corners :)

Q: Do any homers/ NFC N viewers feel that Mick Mac was actually good at "in game management"?

Challenges, Clock skills, Run:Pass, 4th downs etc

I dont watch as many games in the North as i might used to have, so maybe ive got that twisted? :dontknow:

My recollection (and confirmation bias is a witch, so could be me!) is that weve spent more time discussing A-a-ron having to go for it in the 4th, running, hail marys/ big heaves, dropped passes

... than saying GB got up at half time - and then killed them off in the 2nd half (running/ clock management)

Now obviously that latter is a position you want to be in and doesnt happen all that often. But over 12yrs im not sure its happened as often as it shouldve in GB.
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The initial question was posed by me and I asked “who are we comparing MCarthy/Rodgers to when .618 winning percentage is not considered successful”.

It sounds like to me we can only compare them to Belichick/Brady although we can’t even do that if we apply the same logic to dismiss Payton/Brees
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On the competitiveness of the divisions, this may be an arbitrary measure but NFC Championship appearances since 2008:

NFC North - 7
NFC South - 4

However, Super Bowl appearances are 3-1 in favor of the South. 3-2 if you go back one more year to when Chicago was there. Wins in the big game are 1-1.

I don't think you can look at that as the South being better in that timeframe. There's a better than 50/50 shot in the last ten years that an NFC North team was going to the in the conference title game.
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endzoneview wrote:The initial question was posed by me and I asked “who are we comparing MCarthy/Rodgers to when .618 winning percentage is not considered successful”.

It sounds like to me we can only compare them to Belichick/Brady although we can’t even do that if we apply the same logic to dismiss Payton/Brees


What was Marino & Shula?

Memory serves i dont think Dan got a ring
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jamcutpost wrote:
endzoneview wrote:The initial question was posed by me and I asked “who are we comparing MCarthy/Rodgers to when .618 winning percentage is not considered successful”.

It sounds like to me we can only compare them to Belichick/Brady although we can’t even do that if we apply the same logic to dismiss Payton/Brees


What was Marino & Shula?

Memory serves i dont think Dan got a ring


Slightly lower, but pretty darn close .612
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Marino was the problem :D
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jamcutpost wrote:
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Elmagister wrote:The AFC East has been the least competitive division in football for Tom Brady's whole career. His talent is completely separate from that fact.

Correct.

This comparison isn't the subject, however.


If youre talking about the competitiveness of 2 other leagues (NFC South & North) as being relevant tho?

It kinda is, a little bit - right? :thumbright:
If anyone cares to assess it, I'd read it and respond. Throwing crap on the wall and walking away isn't anyway to conclude anything.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?
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birddog wrote:
jamcutpost wrote:
birddog wrote:Correct.

This comparison isn't the subject, however.


If youre talking about the competitiveness of 2 other leagues (NFC South & North) as being relevant tho?

It kinda is, a little bit - right? :thumbright:
If anyone cares to assess it, I'd read it and respond. Throwing crap on the wall and walking away isn't anyway to conclude anything.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?


The one statement does not jibe well the other there, BD. Dont shoot me - Just saying.

Cant demand detailed stats data from ppl when youre not prepared to do the same.

Would also suggest that if your point about divisional strength was/is true, then burden more on you to provide it - what "nugget" youve thrown out there? Thats not really much of anything.

Next W for NEP will mark the 15th time - in consecutive years - the Pats have a 10+ Win season.

Take a second to think about that.

Now you can diminish that, or put caveats on it, but not sure youll get very far with it. Its too long a sustained period of success.

Personally still believe that weighting divisions for grading QBs/ Results doesnt seem either v.efficient (or helpful) metric though, so ill probably bow out of this one.
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Here's a list of some QB's win percentages. Most are all under 1 HC, other than Big Ben who has a season or two under Cowher.

Brady .773 - exception to the rule
Big Ben .673
Flacco .596
Russell Wilson .671
Dak Prescott .644

While these don't prove anything it's interesting that Rodgers is lower than anyone other than Flacco.

10 wins a season is a high standard. But the Packers were almost always considered a front runner to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl from 2011 until 2016.

McCarthy was a good coach. Not great. Not awful. Good. But the upward trajectory ended.
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pfft, Mahomes .833
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birddog wrote:If anyone cares to assess it, I'd read it and respond. Throwing crap on the wall and walking away isn't anyway to conclude anything.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?

You mean like I did a few posts before this?
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Further North vs South analysis.

Out of division games since 2009:

North is 215-200-0
South is 217-200-1

Practically identical in out of division games. The idea that the South has been so much better than the North so you cant compare Brees and Rodgers is complete bunk.
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birddog wrote:If anyone cares to assess it, I'd read it and respond. Throwing crap on the wall and walking away isn't anyway to conclude anything.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?

You mean like I did a few posts before this?
Didn't see it I'll look back and catch up. Been a lil busy.
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jamcutpost wrote:
birddog wrote:
jamcutpost wrote:
quote="birddoggiedog"
Correct.

This comparison isn't the subject, however.

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If youre talking about the competitiveness of 2 other leagues (NFC South & North) as being relevant tho?

It kinda is, a little bit - right? :thumbright:
If anyone cares to assess it, I'd read it and respond. Throwing crap on the wall and walking away isn't anyway to conclude anything.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?


The one statement does not jibe well the other there, BD. Dont shoot me - Just saying.

Cant demand detailed stats data from ppl when youre not prepared to do the same.

Would also suggest that if your point about divisional strength was/is true, then burden more on you to provide it - what "nugget" youve thrown out there? Thats not really much of anything.

Next W for NEP will mark the 15th time - in consecutive years - the Pats have a 10+ Win season.

Take a second to think about that.

Now you can diminish that, or put caveats on it, but not sure youll get very far with it. Its too long a sustained period of success.

Personally still believe that weighting divisions for grading QBs/ Results doesnt seem either v.efficient (or helpful) metric though, so ill probably bow out of this one.
I didn't toss it out.

Like I told my 9yr old niece last night as I helped her with her math homework.

Its not my homework. I'll help you, but I'm not going to do it for you.. and show your work.

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birddog wrote:Like I told my 9yr old niece last night as I helped her with her math homework.

Its not my homework. I'll help you, but I'm not going to do it for you.. and show your work.

;)


That was my point :thumbright:

It was HER homework.

Maybe i misread it, but it looked like YOU are the one saying that divisions make a difference?

... But - again unless ive read it wrong - youre asking OTHERS to do the working out for you and refusing point blank to do it yourself.
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