Were We Wrong About Gruden?

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I think that attempt at a pun blew up in your face, in more ways than one


Is the jig is up?
Is the news out?


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R2000 wrote:# of sacks/season and # of wins:

with Mack:
2015: 38/7
2016: 25/12
2017: 31/6

without Mack:
2018: 13/4
2019: 25/6 (through 11 games)


Currently two players (one rookie) on the Raiders’ D line with more sacks than Mack so far this season (Crosby and Mayowa) and one other rookie 2 sacks back (Ferrel). Mack was a beast for us but the D line play overall is better now... sadly our secondary still sucks but hopefully they deal wit that this offseason... still have a couple Bears draft picks for that.
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Maybe Gruden sucks less than I thought.

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canadianraiderfan wrote:
R2000 wrote:# of sacks/season and # of wins:

with Mack:
2015: 38/7
2016: 25/12
2017: 31/6

without Mack:
2018: 13/4
2019: 25/6 (through 11 games)


Currently two players (one rookie) on the Raiders’ D line with more sacks than Mack so far this season (Crosby and Mayowa) and one other rookie 2 sacks back (Ferrel). Mack was a beast for us but the D line play overall is better now... sadly our secondary still sucks but hopefully they deal wit that this offseason... still have a couple Bears draft picks for that.

Yep. Crosby is a beast and Josh Jacobs is killing it as well. Thanks Chicago. :thumbright:
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I still think if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs, Tomlin has a great shot at COTY.

Mayock is the executive of the year, that much I will co-sign on.
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Maxx Crosby is 1000% because of Mayock.

Not trying to get ahead of myself, but damn it if he doesn’t remind me of a young Jared Allen.
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I saw enough of Crosby on Hard Knocks, to know we might have something special.
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khalil mack minus akiem hicks has sucked,i think chciago is now regretting giving mack that huge contract,meanwhile i look forward to another mike mayock draft plus 84 million in cap space
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I think this award is Shanahan's as of right now considering the preseason projections for the 49ers. If they finish with a #1 seed at 13-3 or better, I think Kyle takes it. 49ers got a tough finish to their schedule, with games against GB, BAL, NOS, and week 17 against SEA, which could end up being for the division and a 1st rd bye.

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mstrbass2000 wrote:khalil mack minus akiem hicks has sucked,i think chciago is now regretting giving mack that huge contract,meanwhile i look forward to another mike mayock draft plus 84 million in cap space


But but but..... everyone knows that Mack is a generational player who can single handedly deliver any team to the promised land! And that any team that trades him is too stupid to be in the league.... it’s almost as if you’re saying that football is a team sport
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Mack is a HoF level talent. The Raiders having a winning record doesn't change that.
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Kind of crazy but the Bears defense is actually allowing less points per game this year than last year (17.4 vs 17.7) Allowing only 22 yards more compared to last year. If Turbisky didn’t have such an astronomical fall from grace and was at least just competent we’d be having a different Mack conversation
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endzoneview wrote:Kind of crazy but the Bears defense is actually allowing less points per game this year than last year (17.4 vs 17.7) Allowing only 22 yards more compared to last year. If Turbisky didn’t have such an astronomical fall from grace and was at least just competent we’d be having a different Mack conversation

It doesn't suit their narrative and interrupts their back patting.