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bluemist wrote:“Nine Super Bowl appearances over the course of 20 years is an achievement on an unmatched level,” Schell said. "

Otto Graham?


Pssst, 13 teams in the 40’s and 50’s?


How many games did you watch?

10 championship games in 10 years means he was at the same level IMO.

While you can dismiss it due to the number of teams, I think it is important to remember that QB's were not protected like they are today. Comparing different eras is always subjective, but you play against the best of your day, regardless of when that day was/is. Yes they played fewer games, but Graham probably took more violent hits in one year than Brady has in his entire career.

WTH has me not being around to watch the games have to do with anything?

Pittsburgh sucks.
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Otto Graham is like the best JV quarterback at school
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bluemist wrote:
rugger48 wrote:
bluemist wrote:“Nine Super Bowl appearances over the course of 20 years is an achievement on an unmatched level,” Schell said. "

Otto Graham?


Pssst, 13 teams in the 40’s and 50’s?


How many games did you watch?

10 championship games in 10 years means he was at the same level IMO.

While you can dismiss it due to the number of teams, I think it is important to remember that QB's were not protected like they are today. Comparing different eras is always subjective, but you play against the best of your day, regardless of when that day was/is. Yes they played fewer games, but Graham probably took more violent hits in one year than Brady has in his entire career.

WTH has me not being around to watch the games have to do with anything?

Pittsburgh sucks.



Not really, he played against guys selling vacuums and encyclopedias, who smoked and drank at half time. 12 games a season and 1 playoff game.

Why does it make a difference if you watched? Because you talking about comparing him to Brady. Your just basing it off stats ans and hearsay.
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10 championship games in 10 years means he was at the same level IMO.

While you can dismiss it due to the number of teams, I think it is important to remember that QB's were not protected like they are today. Comparing different eras is always subjective, but you play against the best of your day, regardless of when that day was/is. Yes they played fewer games, but Graham probably took more violent hits in one year than Brady has in his entire career.

WTH has me not being around to watch the games have to do with anything?

Pittsburgh sucks.



Not really, he played against guys selling vacuums and encyclopedias, who smoked and drank at half time. 12 games a season and 1 playoff game.

Why does it make a difference if you watched? Because you talking about comparing him to Brady. Your just basing it off stats ans and hearsay.
Yes, I am basing my opinion off of the statistic of how many championships he went to over the course of his career. You know, the part that I quoted of " Nine Super Bowl appearances over the course of 20 years is an achievement on an unmatched level,” Schell said. "

As far as the level of athleticism, I will contend that the guys he played with were "smoking and drinking at halftime"also, so much of that is subjective. I am only contending that statistically , Graham's success at leading his team to the championship is comparable to TB's.
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Kind of funny that back then only two teams went to the playoffs

Any argument after 1960 should not include Otto Graham
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10ball wrote:I will not watch a single second of this


Let me know if they show his last game as a Patriot. I would watch that again.
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10ball wrote:I will not watch a single second of this


Let me know if they show his last game as a Patriot. I would watch that again.



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Not really, he played against guys selling vacuums and encyclopedias, who smoked and drank at half time. 12 games a season and 1 playoff game.

Why does it make a difference if you watched? Because you talking about comparing him to Brady. Your just basing it off stats ans and hearsay.


These things go both ways.

Did Graham have a radio in his helmet connected some guy in a booth with all kinds of electronic devices to call the plays?
Did Graham have a 6'6" 270 lb guy who could run like a deer and catch playing receiver for him?
Could Graham dedicate all of his time to being better at the sport because it made him a millionaire?

If you put Tom Brady in Otto's place, would he achieve just as much?
If you put Otto in Tom's place would he achieve just as much?
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That’s why the comparison is stupid and people need to leave Otto Graham in the pre-Super Bowl conversation
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rugger48 wrote:
Not really, he played against guys selling vacuums and encyclopedias, who smoked and drank at half time. 12 games a season and 1 playoff game.

Why does it make a difference if you watched? Because you talking about comparing him to Brady. Your just basing it off stats ans and hearsay.


These things go both ways.

Did Graham have a radio in his helmet connected some guy in a booth with all kinds of electronic devices to call the plays?
Did Graham have a 6'6" 270 lb guy who could run like a deer and catch playing receiver for him?
Could Graham dedicate all of his time to being better at the sport because it made him a millionaire?

If you put Tom Brady in Otto's place, would he achieve just as much?
If you put Otto in Tom's place would he achieve just as much?



Thanks for proving my point.
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endzoneview wrote:That’s why the comparison is stupid and people need to leave Otto Graham in the pre-Super Bowl conversation
This. I don't even bother trying to compare different eras/times in the sport any more. Too much has changed for it to be an even comparison.
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Coach Bruce Arians said 12 personnel will be the Buccaneers' base offense.
12 personnel refers to formations featuring two TEs on the field. This would indicate Rob Gronkowski and one of O.J. Howard or Cam Brate should join Chris Godwin, Mike Evans as well as Ronald Jones or Ke'Shawn Vaughn in the starting lineup. The news is a damper on Godwin's hopes of again commanding a large slot role, but he's obviously a good enough talent to still make the most out of his opportunities from the outside. The real question is whether Howard or Brate will be able to rise up and secure a full-time starting role, or if we'll see an annoying committee system for that position. There should still be plenty of three-WR and two-RB sets utilized, but clearly the Bucs are attempting to play to their strengths by leaning into their embarrassment of riches at the TE position.

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Evans, Godwin, Oj Howard, Gronk ... Brady must have renegotiated his deal with the devil. And the devil needs a better agent.
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grace wrote:Evans, Godwin, Oj Howard, Gronk ... Brady must have renegotiated his deal with the devil. And the devil needs a better agent.



Nah, the devil lives in NYC and is just fine to have Brady out of the AFC East.