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That’s why the comparison is stupid and people need to leave Otto Graham in the pre-Super Bowl conversation
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musicturtle wrote:rugger48 wrote:
Not really, he played against guys selling vacuums and encyclopedias, who smoked and drank at half time. 12 games a season and 1 playoff game.
Why does it make a difference if you watched? Because you talking about comparing him to Brady. Your just basing it off stats ans and hearsay.
These things go both ways.
Did Graham have a radio in his helmet connected some guy in a booth with all kinds of electronic devices to call the plays?
Did Graham have a 6'6" 270 lb guy who could run like a deer and catch playing receiver for him?
Could Graham dedicate all of his time to being better at the sport because it made him a millionaire?
If you put Tom Brady in Otto's place, would he achieve just as much?
If you put Otto in Tom's place would he achieve just as much?
Thanks for proving my point.
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This. I don't even bother trying to compare different eras/times in the sport any more. Too much has changed for it to be an even comparison.endzoneview wrote:That’s why the comparison is stupid and people need to leave Otto Graham in the pre-Super Bowl conversation
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Coach Bruce Arians said 12 personnel will be the Buccaneers' base offense.
12 personnel refers to formations featuring two TEs on the field. This would indicate Rob Gronkowski and one of O.J. Howard or Cam Brate should join Chris Godwin, Mike Evans as well as Ronald Jones or Ke'Shawn Vaughn in the starting lineup. The news is a damper on Godwin's hopes of again commanding a large slot role, but he's obviously a good enough talent to still make the most out of his opportunities from the outside. The real question is whether Howard or Brate will be able to rise up and secure a full-time starting role, or if we'll see an annoying committee system for that position. There should still be plenty of three-WR and two-RB sets utilized, but clearly the Bucs are attempting to play to their strengths by leaning into their embarrassment of riches at the TE position.
SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter
Jun 4, 2020, 11:25 AM ET
https://t.co/77RMKJqfPM
12 personnel refers to formations featuring two TEs on the field. This would indicate Rob Gronkowski and one of O.J. Howard or Cam Brate should join Chris Godwin, Mike Evans as well as Ronald Jones or Ke'Shawn Vaughn in the starting lineup. The news is a damper on Godwin's hopes of again commanding a large slot role, but he's obviously a good enough talent to still make the most out of his opportunities from the outside. The real question is whether Howard or Brate will be able to rise up and secure a full-time starting role, or if we'll see an annoying committee system for that position. There should still be plenty of three-WR and two-RB sets utilized, but clearly the Bucs are attempting to play to their strengths by leaning into their embarrassment of riches at the TE position.
SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter
Jun 4, 2020, 11:25 AM ET
https://t.co/77RMKJqfPM
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Evans, Godwin, Oj Howard, Gronk ... Brady must have renegotiated his deal with the devil. And the devil needs a better agent.
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grace wrote:Evans, Godwin, Oj Howard, Gronk ... Brady must have renegotiated his deal with the devil. And the devil needs a better agent.
Nah, the devil lives in NYC and is just fine to have Brady out of the AFC East.
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Killa CAM CAN!! wrote:Coach Bruce Arians said 12 personnel will be the Buccaneers' base offense.
12 personnel refers to formations featuring two TEs on the field. This would indicate Rob Gronkowski and one of O.J. Howard or Cam Brate should join Chris Godwin, Mike Evans as well as Ronald Jones or Ke'Shawn Vaughn in the starting lineup. The news is a damper on Godwin's hopes of again commanding a large slot role, but he's obviously a good enough talent to still make the most out of his opportunities from the outside. The real question is whether Howard or Brate will be able to rise up and secure a full-time starting role, or if we'll see an annoying committee system for that position. There should still be plenty of three-WR and two-RB sets utilized, but clearly the Bucs are attempting to play to their strengths by leaning into their embarrassment of riches at the TE position.
SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter
Jun 4, 2020, 11:25 AM ET
https://t.co/77RMKJqfPM
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What is the correct question to ask is if Gronk can rise up and secure a full-time starting role?
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FantasyHussy wrote:Killa CAM CAN!! wrote:Coach Bruce Arians said 12 personnel will be the Buccaneers' base offense.
12 personnel refers to formations featuring two TEs on the field. This would indicate Rob Gronkowski and one of O.J. Howard or Cam Brate should join Chris Godwin, Mike Evans as well as Ronald Jones or Ke'Shawn Vaughn in the starting lineup. The news is a damper on Godwin's hopes of again commanding a large slot role, but he's obviously a good enough talent to still make the most out of his opportunities from the outside. The real question is whether Howard or Brate will be able to rise up and secure a full-time starting role, or if we'll see an annoying committee system for that position. There should still be plenty of three-WR and two-RB sets utilized, but clearly the Bucs are attempting to play to their strengths by leaning into their embarrassment of riches at the TE position.
SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter
Jun 4, 2020, 11:25 AM ET
https://t.co/77RMKJqfPM
(whispers)
What is the correct question to ask is if Gronk can rise up and secure a full-time starting role?
i think they answered that for you...he probably already has that job.
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Ya, I don’t think it works that way.
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When you pay Gronk 10M?
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Killa CAM CAN!! wrote:When you pay Gronk 10M?
They paid desean Jackson 10 million twice to play cards and skip meetings, just saying.
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rugger48 wrote:Killa CAM CAN!! wrote:When you pay Gronk 10M?
They paid desean Jackson 10 million twice to play cards and skip meetings, just saying.
Im sure they did...but see Gronk and Brady have this sort of relationship. I doubt theyd switch to a 12 and not feature Gronk...but i guess we will see. If im Brady i think i want Gronk. He recruited Gronk himself. Brady is calling the shots in TB Ruggs.
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Said this before, but I'd be incredibly surprised if Brady wanted to learn a new offensive System at 42 years old.
His time is limited, and it'd be a pretty poor decision to force him to move off of what he's been successful with throughout his career.
I expect this to be the Tom Brady offense with a little Arian's sprinkled in; and that offense is going to utilize Gronk and Howard.
His time is limited, and it'd be a pretty poor decision to force him to move off of what he's been successful with throughout his career.
I expect this to be the Tom Brady offense with a little Arian's sprinkled in; and that offense is going to utilize Gronk and Howard.
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zuggyawesome wrote:Said this before, but I'd be incredibly surprised if Brady wanted to learn a new offensive System at 42 years old.
His time is limited, and it'd be a pretty poor decision to force him to move off of what he's been successful with throughout his career.
I expect this to be the Tom Brady offense with a little Arian's sprinkled in; and that offense is going to utilize Gronk and Howard.
Very possible , but Arians is stubborn. I always felt that Peyton had more control of the offense he ran, I don’t get that from Brady . Doesn’t mean that’s the case, but I think arians has always been more hands on.
I think this is going to be obe if the most interesting situations in the nfl.
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rugger48 wrote:zuggyawesome wrote:Said this before, but I'd be incredibly surprised if Brady wanted to learn a new offensive System at 42 years old.
His time is limited, and it'd be a pretty poor decision to force him to move off of what he's been successful with throughout his career.
I expect this to be the Tom Brady offense with a little Arian's sprinkled in; and that offense is going to utilize Gronk and Howard.
Very possible , but Arians is stubborn. I always felt that Peyton had more control of the offense he ran, I don’t get that from Brady . Doesn’t mean that’s the case, but I think arians has always been more hands on.
I think this is going to be obe if the most interesting situations in the nfl.
Here's an OOAL then: Cam Newton is starting week 14 for the Bucs after Tom Brady retires following a crushing week 12 defeat by KC. Their now 3-9 record has been driven by weeks of media hyping stories of Brady/Arians strife.
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