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First let me say that the NCAA has some serious problems with their amateurism rules imo, but still doesn't excuse him from making money off signing some stuff when he knew damn well it's illegal and someone would eventually figure it out..

It's alleged right now but it seems to be gaining ground fast. A&M in big trouble if he ends up missing any time.
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Johnny Football seems to be showing lots of diva behavior usually reserved for wide receivers. Doesn't look too good for his pro potential. Most QB's with attitude problems faceplant in the NFL. I shoulda bet some sands on him winning the Heisman. Seemed like the obvious decision for today's greedy NCAA football, as they would have a star player for a couple more years.

Sure is a lot of attention to be focused on a university freshman. Hopefully he can pull his head out and get some good mentors to get back on track. 'Cause it certainly doesn't look good for his pro prospects to me right now.

On the potential violations, it sounds somewhat similar to the Ohio State scandal. Could spell some sanctions if the SEC actually gives a flying f#$@.
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NCAA investigating Manziel

MIAMI -- The NCAA is investigating whether Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel was paid for signing hundreds of autographs on photos and sports memorabilia in January, "Outside the Lines" has learned. Two sources tell "Outside the Lines" that the Texas A&M quarterback agreed to sign memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip to Miami for the Discover BCS National Championship. Both sources said they witnessed the signing, though neither saw the actual exchange of money.

Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told "Outside the Lines" that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6, when he landed at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.

After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman's residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.

The source also told "Outside the Lines" that James Garland, the NCAA's assistant director of enforcement, in June contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings. The source said Garland, who did not return calls from "Outside the Lines" for comment, told the person that he wanted to talk about Manziel signing items that had appeared for sale on eBay. An NCAA spokeswoman cited NCAA policy to "Outside the Lines" and declined to comment.

If the NCAA investigation finds that Manziel has violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible.


Meanwhile, with NCAA officials investigating Manziel, the Las Vegas Hotel sports books on Sunday night took Texas A&M-Alabama off the board. Bets have also been taken down on Texas A&M games against Arkansas, Ole Miss, LSU and Missouri.

Manziel's offseason has drawn heavy media scrutiny. In the past few months, he has been spotted in the front row at NBA games, hanging out with rappers at bars, and has written various headline-starting tweets, including one in which he said he couldn't wait to leave College Station -- the home of Texas A&M. He also was sent home early from the Manning Passing Academy last month.

Paul Manziel recently told ESPN The Magazine that he doesn't like how the school hasn't protected the family from the NCAA and how he believes that school administrators put their motives above his son's well-being.

"It's starting to get under our skin," he said. "They're so selfish."

Manziel also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.

"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... autographs
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Media's Tebow'ing this kid, but he sure isn't helping his cause.
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StoneCutter wrote:Witch hunt


A lot of the stuff brought up before this I'd agree with, but it's hard to defend him here imo.. He's got to be smart enough to know that with how big he is someone's going to find out if what's alleged is indeed true.

Fwiw, 5Dimes has Manziel not to play at all this season at -180.
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LaSean4Heisman wrote:
StoneCutter wrote:Witch hunt


A lot of the stuff brought up before this I'd agree with, but it's hard to defend him here imo.. He's got to be smart enough to know that with how big he is someone's going to find out if what's alleged is indeed true.

Fwiw, 5Dimes has Manziel not to play at all this season at -180.


Might be a valid point if they can prove it and the NCAA or SEC push the issue. That second part might be the bigger question. The trail is always tread very carefully with violations and the SEC for some reason. Perhaps they are afraid of digging around for a needle in the haystack; only to find out they are digging through a stack of needles.
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while i think these kids should have the ability to market themselves and profit from it, a change like this would change the make up of the college game forever and i don't think you'd like the result.

manziel is an idiot kid like we all once were with alot more attention than any of us have ever got. its hard to put myself in his shoes and be like "i'd never do that!". that being said, rules are rules and you sign on to abide by those rules. if you don't agree, thats really too bad.

if this comes out and is really true and provable, the punishment will be huge.

i compare manziel to a slightly better jason white. i don't think he has any of the intangiables of a successful nfl qb. he doesn't have a strong arm, he's not tall, and his character is somewhat lacking as of right now.
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Waiting for any source ESPN has to come forward. Those frig have done nothing but witch hunt on this kid for about a month and finally maybe they came up with someone. ESPN can go to hell.
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ATL Souljah Boy wrote:Waiting for any source ESPN has to come forward. Those frig have done nothing but witch hunt on this kid for about a month and finally maybe they came up with someone. ESPN can go to hell.


Witch hunt? You read what his Dad wrote? Is he on a witch hunt vs his son too :F

Pete Manziel wrote:Manziel [Johnny's dad] also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.

"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."


Get a grip there, soldier - sometimes there is smoke with fire ;)
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Read tonight that this is all coming from a bama attorney with less than credible history when it comes to these things.

So it's an ESPN witch hunt coupled with butthurt bama fans.
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StoneCutter wrote:Read tonight that this is all coming from a bama attorney with less than credible history when it comes to these things.

So it's an ESPN witch hunt coupled with butthurt bama fans.

Just a Bama attorney? No. No its not.

And i wish ppl would quit with the ESPN thing already, yes theyre sh*#. Alot of the time, but they also happen to be one of the richest and biggest networks and one fo the primary ones for the NCAA so who else would report it? NFL.com, CNN?

Fox & CBS also running with it, so its not like theyre worried about libel at this point, esp since the NCAA were investigating Manziel since June - predating alot of this bumpf.

ESPN wrote:Image

The broker, who has shown ESPN a photograph of Manziel signing autographs in what the broker says is Manziel's hotel room, told Schad he declined to answer six calls from the NCAA.

The broker said he stopped using what is known in the industry as a "proof pic" when an attorney representing Manziel contacted eBay and then the broker spoke with that attorney. The broker said JSA, a leading autograph authentication company, was paid $7 apiece to authenticate all of the broker's Manziel signatures.

Fox wrote:"signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room"

So there is now a 2nd autograph guy, Manziels attorney AND an authentication company? Even before you get to the numerous ppl in the room. Thats quite a number of ppl already. More may yet come.

They cant all be Bama fans on a crusade, thats just silly. Couldnt it just be possible that a young guy whos fallen in with a bad crowd might have been advised to do something silly and rash.

Not like hed ever be capable of making bad decisions on his own (Twitter), right?
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jamcutpost wrote:
ESPN wrote:Image

The broker, who has shown ESPN a photograph of Manziel signing autographs in what the broker says is Manziel's hotel room, told Schad he declined to answer six calls from the NCAA.

The broker said he stopped using what is known in the industry as a "proof pic" when an attorney representing Manziel contacted eBay and then the broker spoke with that attorney. The broker said JSA, a leading autograph authentication company, was paid $7 apiece to authenticate all of the broker's Manziel signatures.

Fox wrote:"signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room"

So there is now a 2nd autograph guy, Manziels attorney AND an authentication company? Even before you get to the numerous ppl in the room. Thats quite a number of ppl already. More may yet come.

They cant all be Bama fans on a crusade, thats just silly. Couldnt it just be possible that a young guy whos fallen in with a bad crowd might have been advised to do something silly and rash.

Not like hed ever be capable of making bad decisions on his own (Twitter), right?


He's had a rockstar summer. Of course the NCAA is going to be investigating to make sure everything was on the up and up.

But there has been zero evidence put forward that Manziel ever took any money.

That broker claims that photo was taken the night before the Bama/ND. I've seen better versions of that picture on other sites and people have pointed out a very important flaw with the photo. You can't see the turf scar on his hand that he got in the LaTech game. That picture was taken after the SMU game (Sep 15) and before the LaTech game (Oct 13). Someone is desperately trying to set him up and the timing of when this story ran (the weekend before fall camps open) is highly suspect.

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Scar on his hand that he got in the LaTech game which is still visible today...

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