The Manziel Saga..

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HurricaneNamedDitka wrote:while i think these kids should have the ability to market themselves and profit from it, a change like this would change the make up of the college game forever and i don't think you'd like the result.

manziel is an idiot kid like we all once were with alot more attention than any of us have ever got. its hard to put myself in his shoes and be like "i'd never do that!". that being said, rules are rules and you sign on to abide by those rules. if you don't agree, thats really too bad.

if this comes out and is really true and provable, the punishment will be huge.

i compare manziel to a slightly better jason white. i don't think he has any of the intangiables of a successful nfl qb. he doesn't have a strong arm, he's not tall, and his character is somewhat lacking as of right now.


I agree that there's gotta be a better system than this one, I'll be damned if I know what it is right now.

People like to point out that they get a scholarship but schools make truck-loads of $ off individual players, and not just from jersey sales. A&M had a dinner that was $20k per seat to be at the table with Manziel.

The problem with allowing them to be paid for autographs or paraphernalia is idiot boosters. They'd be allowed to pay off a kid through purchase of his autographs. As an SEC fan I don't want our crazy morons getting closer to players, they need to be much, much further away. And it would be used for HS kids as a recruiting tool. They'd make the rounds and collect $ for 'autographs'.

Would be good for a team to benefit overall, not just a player.

Perhaps allowing equipment/autograph sales that go into some type of pension fund? I'd bet there's a lot of former college football players that have medical issues later on in life.
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HurricaneNamedDitka wrote:while i think these kids should have the ability to market themselves and profit from it, a change like this would change the make up of the college game forever and i don't think you'd like the result.

manziel is an idiot kid like we all once were with alot more attention than any of us have ever got. its hard to put myself in his shoes and be like "i'd never do that!". that being said, rules are rules and you sign on to abide by those rules. if you don't agree, thats really too bad.

if this comes out and is really true and provable, the punishment will be huge.

i compare manziel to a slightly better jason white. i don't think he has any of the intangiables of a successful nfl qb. he doesn't have a strong arm, he's not tall, and his character is somewhat lacking as of right now.


I agree that there's gotta be a better system than this one, I'll be damned if I know what it is right now.

People like to point out that they get a scholarship but schools make truck-loads of $ off individual players, and not just from jersey sales. A&M had a dinner that was $20k per seat to be at the table with Manziel.

The problem with allowing them to be paid for autographs or paraphernalia is idiot boosters. They'd be allowed to pay off a kid through purchase of his autographs. As an SEC fan I don't want our crazy morons getting closer to players, they need to be much, much further away. And it would be used for HS kids as a recruiting tool. They'd make the rounds and collect $ for 'autographs'.

Would be good for a team to benefit overall, not just a player.

Perhaps allowing equipment/autograph sales that go into some type of pension fund? I'd bet there's a lot of former college football players that have medical issues later on in life.


you'd have agents and possibilty of unions and all sorts of crap i dont' think people are going to be excited to see. recruiting i guess and all that stuff really only matters to the diehards but the product on the field will change too. right now there are already the haves and have nots in college. that will only get worse. now its not about playing on a team that can get you to the nfl. its find a team that you can "market your brand"
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A&M has hired the same law firm that Auburn hired to keep Cam Newton eligible.

This is just getting started.
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The real sad thing in all of this is that by NCAA rules you actually don't even own your signature, one of the only things that you yourself can identify with and it can't be copied. It's absolute insanity that these brokers and autograph geekers can profit off of a kid boatload ten fold and if they sign and get paid it's bye bye eligibility. Certain rules do need to be in place or it would be a circus but lets be honest it's a circus now, only it's underground and we can't see it but the system as a whole is flawed.

THE NCAA PICKS AND CHOOSES WHO TO HAMMER HARD AND WHO TO HAMMER SOFT. UNC'S ENTIRE ATHLETIC PROGRAM SHOULD BE UNDER FIRE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S NOT ME BEING A RIVAL FAN, THESE ARE JUST FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND DOTS CONNECTED. THAT KIND OF STUFF GETS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG AND IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE A TON OF HIGHER UPS OVER AT ESPN ARE UNC GRADS. ONE OF THEIR BASKETBALL PLAYERS IS THROWING GUNS OUT WINDOWS AT CHECKPOINTS, SWITCHING FROM DRIVING TO THE PASSENGER BEFOREHAND BECAUSE THE CAR WAS BEING RENTED FOR HIM BY A KNOWN FELON AND MULTIPLE OTHER CARS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO HIM AS WELL, GETTING PULLED FOR GOING 90MPH, DRUGS, ETC. ETC. ETC. AND HOW MUCH HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT IT? HOW MUCH DEEPER HAS ESPN OR ANY BIG TIME MEDIA SOURCE DUG? IT'S GO DEEPER THAN 1 PLAYER GETTING BENEFITS OVER THERE. THE ENTIRE NCAA IS A FRAUDULENT MONEY COW.

HELL AT TIMES WITH THEIR SUSPENSIONS THE NCAA HAS BEEN SELECTIVE AND EVEN STRATEGIC AS TO MAKE SURE A PLAYER DOESN'T MISS AN IMPORTANT GAME LIKE A BIG BOWL. PRACTICALLY SITTING ON INFORMATION! HEY IF YOU'RE THE NFL AND YOU DO THAT, WHATEVER, YOU'RE A BUSINESS, IT'S ETHICALLY SKETCHY BUT YOU'RE THE NCAA! YOU'RE DOING THIS TO PROFIT MORE OF A KID WHO NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT A LESSON. NOPE DON'T TEACH HIM A LESSON BY TAKING AWAY SOMETHING ULTRA IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'LL TEACH HIM WHEN HE GETS OLDER. YOU CAN LUMP THAT LOW LIFE POS URBAN MEYER IN WITH THE NCAA TOO. END ALL CAPS RANT.

If you're going to have the rules but not have any consistency in enforcing them what is the point?


Jay Bilas going HAM on twitter
https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/364814529080725505
https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/364814529080725505

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NCAA really going to flirt with using illegally obtained evidence to take the kid down?

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jamcut don't defend ESPN for the sake of defending ESPN bad look. It's more of the fact they have been spew reporting for around 2 to 3 weeks every little party, drink, tweet, fart, blah blah blah this kid does. He's brought a little of it on himself but this kind of barrage, really? They have been digging and digging and driving the bus the entire time. Like you said they make huge moolah with this NCAA together, why not build up this division on Manziel? His lovers and his haters. The ones that want to see him succeed the ones that want to see him fail. What better way to do that then with what they have been doing far before this autograph thing came out? It's friging disgusting and makes me sick.

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The broker, who has shown ESPN a photograph of Manziel signing autographs in what the broker says is Manziel's hotel room, told Schad he declined to answer six calls from the NCAA.

The broker said he stopped using what is known in the industry as a "proof pic" when an attorney representing Manziel contacted eBay and then the broker spoke with that attorney. The broker said JSA, a leading autograph authentication company, was paid $7 apiece to authenticate all of the broker's Manziel signatures.

Fox wrote:"signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room"

So there is now a 2nd autograph guy, Manziels attorney AND an authentication company? Even before you get to the numerous ppl in the room. Thats quite a number of ppl already. More may yet come.

They cant all be Bama fans on a crusade, thats just silly. Couldnt it just be possible that a young guy whos fallen in with a bad crowd might have been advised to do something silly and rash.

Not like hed ever be capable of making bad decisions on his own (Twitter), right?


He's had a rockstar summer. Of course the NCAA is going to be investigating to make sure everything was on the up and up.

But there has been zero evidence put forward that Manziel ever took any money.

That broker claims that photo was taken the night before the Bama/ND. I've seen better versions of that picture on other sites and people have pointed out a very important flaw with the photo. You can't see the turf scar on his hand that he got in the LaTech game. That picture was taken after the SMU game (Sep 15) and before the LaTech game (Oct 13). Someone is desperately trying to set him up and the timing of when this story ran (the weekend before fall camps open) is highly suspect.

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Scar on his hand that he got in the LaTech game which is still visible today...

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set him up, that's the evidence, you cant see his left hand clearly.

The fact that hes standing is better evidence than that and his right ear.
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Definitely a lot of smoke but does anyone else get bothered by the fact that we have a BSPN guy who's not exactly the premier 'journalist' reporting second hand about what he claims to have seen on a video that we're then told will never really be released as the guy won't cooperate with the NCAA?

There's a lot of claims by BSPN but really not much actual evidence. And dealing with guys that are just above child pornography peddlers with those memorabilia douchebags.

I guess it's just my BSPN hatred showing through.
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A lot of interesting digging going on right now that is finding links between these brokers that point to them all working together. Couple that with the mysterious off-shore betting a couple days before this story came out that pushed the line from BAMA -6.5 to BAMA -9.5 and it starts to look like someone is trying to manipulate Vegas.
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roto wrote:Johnny Manziel's attorney suggested that the quarterback could play this season even if he doesn't have clearance from the NCAA.
"I don't know if (the NCAA) will be done before the season. I believe the process should be far enough along that he'll be able to play," Jim Darnell said. The NCAA's investigation centers on whether Manziel accepted cash in exchange for autograph sessions. While the NCAA can deem Manziel ineligible, Texas A&M also faces a dilemma: If the school plays Manziel without full NCAA clearance, it could potentially be forced to vacate victories and/or championships if the NCAA later decides that Manziel is ineligible. It is not yet known if the NCAA investigation will conclude by Aug. 31, when the Aggies kick off the season against Rice. Texas A&M is being represented by the law firm of Lightfoot, Franklin and White, which led Auburn through Cam Newton's NCAA investigation. Newton, of course, played out the season in which he was under suspicion.
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NCAA finds that Manziel did not get paid to sign autographs but recommends 1/2 game suspension because he likely knew that someone was going to make money selling the autographs. (No mention that the majority of those autographs out there are most likely forgeries and the bigger story in all this that isn't being reported is the authentication companies are rubber stamping fakes left and right to rake in the cash.)

Yet ESPN still tries to make excuses, stretch the truth, and outright lie to try to bring down Johnny. Pathetic.


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OMG, he's sitting a 1/2 game against Rice. That's a Meyeresque punishment there.

Either they have evidence he did it and needs to be gone or they have no proof and there's no basis for any suspension.

"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove. "

There's zero logic in a 1/2 game. Just a well, we're pretty sure you did something so here's the most obvious token that we can do. If the NCAA tried they couldn't make themselves look any more inept than they have the last few years.
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Looks like they know he is guilty as hell, but they cannot prove that he took any money. Without that proof they cannot come down too harshly without setting themselves up for legal liability.

Anybody--including you Stone---who thinks this kid sat in a room signing crap for free is naive. Any football fan who says this is a big deal to them is lying.

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LOLNCAA

Couldn't prove a damn thing so they had to implement the rule below to try and save whatever face they had left..

Since the NCAA doesn't have the evidence to suspend him for receiving payments for autographs, they are going to nail him for violating this minor rule

"Title:12.5.2.2 - Use of a Student-Athlete's Name or Picture Without Knowledge or Permission. If a student-athlete's name or picture appears on commercial items (e.g., T-shirts, sweatshirts, serving trays, playing cards, posters) or is used to promote a commercial product sold by an individual or agency without the student-athlete's knowledge or permission, the student-athlete (or the institution acting on behalf of the student-athlete) is required to take steps to stop such an activity in order to retain his or her eligibility for intercollegiate athletics. Such steps are not required in cases in which a student-athlete's photograph is sold by an individual or agency (e.g., private photographer, news agency) for private use. (Revised: 1/11/97, 5/12/05)"


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Can we investigate the investigators? @DezBryant got suspended a season 4 lying about a dinner that wasnt a violation & Manziel gets a half.


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I wish Neon Deion would get hit by a bus.

And a bus that he was trying to outrun and failed.

Gotta love the attention whore that he is running to get seen and make a comment.
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A&M turned SEC S-H-I-T at the drop of a hat :(
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birddog wrote:A&M turned SEC S-H-I-T at the drop of a hat :(


Still better than the pedophile-loving Big 10.