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I'm just going to drop this in here.

https://blog.liberationist.org/why-your ... -ae8866173

Do with it or don't what you please...
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At some point, you need to ask yourself when you should stop engaging with this buffoonery.

The answer is always much sooner
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und2006 wrote:Further North vs South analysis.

Out of division games since 2009:

North is 215-200-0
South is 217-200-1

Practically identical in out of division games. The idea that the South has been so much better than the North so you cant compare Brees and Rodgers is complete bunk.


Soo hypothetically... essentially you'd prefer the Packers had Ponder/Adrian -or- Cutler/?.. Alshon? over Cam/Smitty/Olsen/Dwill or Ryan/White/Julio/Gonzo/Turner ...

Re: more competitive/desireable

What are you selling again, und?.. 'cause I'm not buying that schit.
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jamcutpost wrote:
birddog wrote:Like I told my 9yr old niece last night as I helped her with her math homework.

Its not my homework. I'll help you, but I'm not going to do it for you.. and show your work.

;)


That was my point :thumbright:

It was HER homework.

Maybe i misread it, but it looked like YOU are the one saying that divisions make a difference?

... But - again unless ive read it wrong - youre asking OTHERS to do the working out for you and refusing point blank to do it yourself.

I made my point(s) clearly w/in the og NO/GB comparison.. someone else tossed out the AFC East team.. then I helped 'em a bit.

Its pretty clear.
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birddog wrote:
und2006 wrote:Further North vs South analysis.

Out of division games since 2009:

North is 215-200-0
South is 217-200-1

Practically identical in out of division games. The idea that the South has been so much better than the North so you cant compare Brees and Rodgers is complete bunk.


Soo hypothetically... essentially you'd prefer the Packers had Ponder/Adrian -or- Cutler/?.. Alshon? over Cam/Smitty/Olsen/Dwill or Ryan/White/Julio/Gonzo/Turner ...

Re: more competitive/desireable

What are you selling again, und?.. 'cause I'm not buying that schit.



birddog wrote:Seriously though... lets not pretend. The NFC North wasn't nearly as competitive over the years as the South. Its hasn't really been close.

and with that - Aaron isn't in Drew's 'class'.. So we can stop with the comparisons anytime.


This is your original proposition (which is clear. Very) and one of two posts to which Und was rebutting.

    NFC N > NFC S for difficulty
    Divisional difficulty is a factor in analysing QB Quality

This is your support for it (which is not nearly as clear):

3 teams have made Super Bowl appearances from the NFC South since '07. In that time the Vikings have started 92 QBs. Detroits been Detroit.. and aside from the Bears '07 SB.. they've been, well, a bit of a mess until this season. Thats a fair assertion.

I'll toss a nugget out there for someone to go with. Bill & Brady have seen what? 4-5 since '07? hung 2-3 banners w/a TE & a college QB as #1wr? Playing against the NFC South a few times?


    One of you (Und & BD) has made an effort to channel clear data points at the proposition as a rebuttal.
    One of you has waved at some "anecdotal" (at best, being as diplomatic as i can BD :) ) evidence.

Its Xmas, so lets have a bit of fun :party-smiley-050:

You want ppl to do it for you (and yeah, i understand we're all probs a bit busy this time of year - so thats fair enough), i dont particularly want to (also busy!), but if itll settle things amicably enough, how about a little friendly wager? If not? No probs.

A donation (at your discretion, but no less than $10) to the local dog shelter/ sanctuary of your choice (or another charity of your choice)? Same for me if the data shows youre right.

If that premise works, LMK :thumbright: Ill start squirrelling away a bit of time here and there chipping away at building up the div standings, win %ages, SoS tables for past 10yrs - for both divs and we'll work out what works as fair for determining who wins/ loses.
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Just so im clear about where i am? Anyone wants to say:

    Brees > Rodgers? Fine
    Anyone wants to say Rodgers > Brees? OK
    Brees/Rodgers are equable? Sure

There is no metric for opinions and no matter how much anyone wants to disagree with anyone else opinion, thats the bottom line.

Its a game. Its opinion driven. :thumbright:

But if anyone wants to express any of those 3 opinions but then use divisional strength as a "proof"? Doesnt matter which 1 of 3 is being advocated - its wrong. Even before looking at data.

If it were true, then, logically the proposition would be true of any year any player and any division - not just "recent years", not just those two divs

It also ignores the more fundamental point that situation (ie division strength) is a metric that directly affects W:Ls & stats far more so than talent.

Worth remembering that the Colts played in a weak AFC south for many years. Not sure anyone that would use a proof that would make Manning ineligible (like Brady in AFC E) to be allowed to be considered in Brees' tier because he was in an easy division.
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Elmagister wrote:Well, Jam, in his defense he thought Manning sucked too. And Suh. Khalil Mack sucks. Russell Wilson sucks. Rodgers has been holding the Packers back. It's all so clear, but he can't make you drink of his wisdom.

Also Cooper Kupp<Treadwell :D
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Not going to get into anything adversarial :thumbright:

I dont feel that way about it -S'christmas innit.

Looking fwds to: egg nog, die hard (again), family, whisky, ale, loved ones, more egg nog, playing with the dog, presents, more whiskey etc etc :D

Everyone can say i like player X more than Y. I can differ, but i cant say youre wrong. Not how opinions work, right?

But if someone says I like X more than Y because of dot dot dot? Yeah, i can chime in then.

Ultimately? Its neither here nor there - and yes i finished work on Friday for the year.Early fro the first time in forever.

If Rugger was here i might even give him a big man hug
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Classy move MM =D>
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birddog wrote:
jamcutpost wrote:
birddog wrote:Like I told my 9yr old niece last night as I helped her with her math homework.

Its not my homework. I'll help you, but I'm not going to do it for you.. and show your work.

;)


That was my point :thumbright:

It was HER homework.

Maybe i misread it, but it looked like YOU are the one saying that divisions make a difference?

... But - again unless ive read it wrong - youre asking OTHERS to do the working out for you and refusing point blank to do it yourself.

I made my point(s) clearly w/in the og NO/GB comparison.. someone else tossed out the AFC East team.. then I helped 'em a bit.

Its pretty clear.



you made your point, but then und proved it to be completely wrong. then you came back with a list of individual players that youd rather have from one division over the other like it somehow proves your point to be right.

youre trying to say that one division has been more competitive than the other and therefore diminish what Rodgers has done even though those 2 divisions have almost identical records outside of their division.
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Daboll? Nah, I mean howd that even work :F

    BD: A-a-ron, this is the Bama playbook. Have a read over January, itll help bring you up to speed with the O when we go for installations next year
    AR: Hey, Brian ... Its 400 pages long
    BD: Yeah. That a problem?
    AR: Nope, well i mean yeah. Yeah its a problem - Theres only 10 passes in it. Ten.
    BD: Yep. It works. Defense + Run game. Aww now, hey... Dont cry, big guy ... We got a few designed runs in there for you.
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birddog wrote:
und2006 wrote:Further North vs South analysis.

Out of division games since 2009:

North is 215-200-0
South is 217-200-1

Practically identical in out of division games. The idea that the South has been so much better than the North so you cant compare Brees and Rodgers is complete bunk.


Soo hypothetically... essentially you'd prefer the Packers had Ponder/Adrian -or- Cutler/?.. Alshon? over Cam/Smitty/Olsen/Dwill or Ryan/White/Julio/Gonzo/Turner ...

Re: more competitive/desireable

What are you selling again, und?.. 'cause I'm not buying that schit.

You're being intentionally obtuse at this point.

I made my point and you have completely and utterly failed to make yours as literally everyone has pointed out.
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yeah, so far the argument is:
"but, the NFC South is better than the NFC North. thats why Rodgers/McCarthy's win % is so good".

"well, actually that is not factually correct. here let me show you why".

"yeah, well would you rather have Ponder or Matt Ryan? Case closed".
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It was time to move on from Mike. I say thank you and good riddance.
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According to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie is not expected to return in 2019.
McKenzie has taken a clear backseat since Jon Gruden's arrival and looks like a goner at the end of the year. Per La Canfora, Gruden has "total control" of the organization and plans to overhaul the team's front office and scouting departments. The Raiders are in the early stages of a lengthy rebuild and that process figures to continue upon the team's move to Las Vegas in 2020. At least the Raiders have plenty of draft capital after acquiring first-round picks for Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack.


#asexpected

Is McKenzie/McCarthy a package option?
Not sure what kind of relationship they had though. Thoughts?