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mattbbpl wrote:I can't fault the guy for going for it. I wouldn't condemn him for leaving in pursuit of it, either.

Who’s that?

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I think I’d have to go with Evans to add to that top 5.
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rugger48 wrote:I think I’d have to go with Evans to add to that top 5.

I knew I was forgetting someone. I think I bump AB for him, but it's a tough call.
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rugger48 wrote:I think I’d have to go with Evans to add to that top 5.

I knew I was forgetting someone. I think I bump AB for him, but it's a tough call.



Ya, I think I couldnt make a choice and just go with top 6. Hard to bump anybody from that group.
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rugger48 wrote:I think I’d have to go with Evans to add to that top 5.

I knew I was forgetting someone. I think I bump AB for him, but it's a tough call.


The only way I would bump AB for Evans is if I'm thinking dynasty value due to age, not real world skill.

But those 6 are all very good. It's always interesting, to me, which WRs blow up and become studs. Some are just foregone conclusions based on athletic ability (Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones), but I think OBJ, Nuk, Thomas, and AB didn't possess visible indicators of success, they just became great WRs. Obviously they had talent and athletic ability, but I'm not sure what separated them from the many many WRs that busted.
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Elmagister wrote:
rugger48 wrote:I think I’d have to go with Evans to add to that top 5.

I knew I was forgetting someone. I think I bump AB for him, but it's a tough call.


The only way I would bump AB for Evans is if I'm thinking dynasty value due to age, not real world skill.

But those 6 are all very good. It's always interesting, to me, which WRs blow up and become studs. Some are just foregone conclusions based on athletic ability (Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones), but I think OBJ, Nuk, Thomas, and AB didn't possess visible indicators of success, they just became great WRs. Obviously they had talent and athletic ability, but I'm not sure what separated them from the many many WRs that busted.

OBJ was a stud to me. He was so smooth and made it look so easy. I dont remember AB in college. Biggest suprise for me was Nuk...i didnt think he would be anywhere close to where he is now.
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obj, nuk, and thomas had plenty of indicators of success. there is a reason they were drafted where they were.
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getdownmmmkay wrote:obj, nuk, and thomas had plenty of indicators of success. there is a reason they were drafted where they were.

But sometimes they turn into Kevin White
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and the calvins and julios sometimes turn into sammy watkins or michael crabtree.

i'm not picking up what cy is putting down.
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nuk had 1521 yds and 11 TDs with Hoyer, Weeden and Yates. That's like another level good.
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Everyone outside of AB we're first round picks and had outstanding athletic profiles. They weren't surprises.
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Elmagister wrote:Everyone outside of AB we're first round picks and had outstanding athletic profiles. They weren't surprises.

Not quite...look where Michael Thomas was drafted. He slipped through the cracks.

47th pick. 6th wr off the board
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Thank you. I stand corrected.
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Elmagister wrote:Everyone outside of AB we're first round picks and had outstanding athletic profiles. They weren't surprises.

Not quite...look where Michael Thomas was drafted. He slipped through the cracks.

47th pick. 6th wr off the board


OBJ was clearly an exception from what I was saying. He was drafted #12, third WR after Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans, so he was destined for greatness too.

But for the rest of them, as I said, none of them lacked athletic ability. But what differentiated them from the WRs drafted ahead of them?

AB - drafted in 2010 at #195 (6th round!), behind 21 other WR.
Thomas - drafted in 2016 at #47, behind Corey Coleman (#15), Will Fuller (#21), Josh Doctson (#22), Laquon Treadwell (#23), and Sterling Shepart (#40)

Hopkins - drafted in 2013 at #27, behind Tavon Austin (#8) and just ahead of Cordarrell Patterson (#29)

While Hopkins was the second WR taken, he fell to #27 -- if there were plenty of indicators that he would succeed, why did he fall so far? There must have been even more indicators that the following would succeed:
2015 - Kevin White (#7), DeVante Parker (#14), Nelson Agholor (#20), Breshad Perriman (#26)
2012 - Justin Blackmon (#5), Michael Floyd (#13), Kendall Wright (#20)
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He was taken in the first round, Cy. The rest of your post is a bunch of white noise.

You're not mentioning college production, measurables, etc. You're going on about other teams taking other receivers in different drafts. What?