rugger48 wrote:He’s 5th tds and yardage. Look I get it , but in no world is that not hof wothy. The 4 guys ahead of him are first ballot guys or will be. No he doesn’t deserve first ballot, but he deserves to be in easy.
Cementing your argument, Philip Rivers beat out Dan Marino (61,000 and 420 pass TDs) in those stats.
And Dan Marino is in the HoF despite not winning a Super Bowl either.https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... career.htmhttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... career.htm
Countering the argument "but but... they played in the new era" the passing era started in the late 1970s and took off in the 1980s and hasn't really changed since. Run/pass splits of playoff teams have been the same since.
While arguably pass rules have gotten friendlier for receivers since the 80s and 90s, that effect has probably been nullified by the outlawing of cut / chop blocks and crack-back blocks, making the offensive line job harder.
Volume stats are meaningless.
Anyone who watched Marino in his prime knows that he was one of the best QBs ever to play the game.
Anyone who watched Rivers in his prime knows that he was a very good QB in an era where there were lots of very good QBs who put up lots of volume stats because, yes, the eras were different.
The rules were different, vastly different in terms of what defenses were allowed to do to offenses.
Also, Marino did play in a super bowl even if he didn't win it. Rivers made it to one AFCCG? Not that I think those post seasons should matter that much, but they should matter somewhat. Marino also was league MVP in 84. Rivers never was, and honestly I don't know if he ever even was runner up or how many top 3s 5s 10s he has.
Era matters, you have to measure players against their contemporaries, not just how many passing yards someone like Stafford has for crap teams where he is airing it out all the time because they are losing and can't run the ball anyway.